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      04-07-2018, 02:10 PM   #111
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It's a BEAST! I'm still amazed how much of a difference it made. The power is always there and... THE TORQUE = Holy Shit Batman! Call me crazy but it pulls harder than the modded 2011 CTS-V I had. I've never driven an X5 M but it would be nice to drive one and compare. Can't even imagine what a tuned S63tu motor would be like. I believe BM3 has a 30 day satisfaction guarantee so you can get your money back if you're not impressed. Odds are... you won't be requesting a refund.
What about the throttle responsiveness and transmission downshift issues you mentioned earlier?
I flashedit back to the stock tune for a dealer visit and the downshifting issue wasn't as big a difference as I thought. The throttle response is still there... it just doesnt downshift if you feather the throttle. It's more of a learning curve.
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I flashedit back to the stock tune for a dealer visit and the downshifting issue wasn't as big a difference as I thought. The throttle response is still there... it just doesnt downshift if you feather the throttle. It's more of a learning curve.
Have you considered opening a ticket with PTF? They seem to be doing a lot of development with the other engines but I see very little for the N63TU. I wonder if they would tweak the tune?

Also, minor question, but did the hp & tq gauges change in the idrive?
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BPC is listed as a custom tuner for BM3, but I haven't personally approached them about what their process and price options are. I can't imagine they are thrilled about doing a custom tune through BM3, considering they offer their own product directly to the customer!
Good point. As far as I know, when I was at BPC location in North Carolina, Bob said to me that they can do a tune via BM3 and they will be more than glad to work with me via BM3 in the future if I will want a Stage 2 tune. They even have BM3 option mentioned on their webpage.
I think right now best advise would be to contact Bob and ask him about his tunes at BM3 database. If he says they are same exactly as his benchflash ones - then it's the way to go. BM3 will allow you to flash new tunes (Stage 2 or others) if need be. The question is how much are BPC tunes for BM3.

Also, I'll go soon and do a dyno run on Mustang dyno or Dynojet to get another view of BPC Stage 1 tune. My old dyno was done at Dynamic Dyno - which shows even less than Mustang. This time I want to do it on a more common dyno, so we can compare results better.

P.S. Just wanted to mention, with BM3 when you go to choose BPC tune - I would contact Bob first and ask him to tweak the tune to my liking. I think custom tune is always better than OTS one. If I was to redo my tune, I would ask Bob to increase boost even more by 10% accordingly adjusting other values needed. I mean you can ask what you consider important for you - that's the beauty of custom tuning compared to set OTS one.
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I flashedit back to the stock tune for a dealer visit and the downshifting issue wasn't as big a difference as I thought. The throttle response is still there... it just doesnt downshift if you feather the throttle. It's more of a learning curve.
Have you considered opening a ticket with PTF? They seem to be doing a lot of development with the other engines but I see very little for the N63TU. I wonder if they would tweak the tune?

Also, minor question, but did the hp & tq gauges change in the idrive?
I did ask them about doing some data logging & custom tuning. They referred me to HC-Performance in Denmark. Said they've done a lot with the n63tu tunes and one of the guys who helped develop bm3 is affiliated with them (or something to that affect). I'm waiting for them to respond to my email.

As far as the hp & tq gauges changing... they did not; still 480 and 480. However, it pegs both gauges quickly. As before the most I'd see on the hp gauge is around 450.
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I did ask them about doing some data logging & custom tuning. They referred me to HC-Performance in Denmark. Said they've done a lot with the n63tu tunes and one of the guys who helped develop bm3 is affiliated with them (or something to that affect). I'm waiting for them to respond to my email.

As far as the hp & tq gauges changing... they did not; still 480 and 480. However, it pegs both gauges quickly. As before the most I'd see on the hp gauge is around 450.
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I did ask them about doing some data logging & custom tuning. They referred me to HC-Performance in Denmark. Said they've done a lot with the n63tu tunes and one of the guys who helped develop bm3 is affiliated with them (or something to that affect). I'm waiting for them to respond to my email.

As far as the hp & tq gauges changing... they did not; still 480 and 480. However, it pegs both gauges quickly. As before the most I'd see on the hp gauge is around 450.
Mine fills both hp and tq to the max and then there's still increase you can feel, which you can't see on gauges as they maxed out. I don't think gauges are showing accurate values, but if yours maxes out at 450 - then your OTS tune is not up to par. Not to bash on your tune or anything, but how much is BPC tune in that BM3 database? Just wondering
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Mine fills both hp and tq to the max and then there's still increase you can feel, which you can't see on gauges as they maxed out. I don't think gauges are showing accurate values, but if yours maxes out at 450 - then your OTS tune is not up to par. Not to bash on your tune or anything, but how much is BPC tune in that BM3 database? Just wondering
He said it would hit 450 hp on the gauge when stock , not on the flash.
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I did ask them about doing some data logging & custom tuning. They referred me to HC-Performance in Denmark. Said they've done a lot with the n63tu tunes and one of the guys who helped develop bm3 is affiliated with them (or something to that affect). I'm waiting for them to respond to my email.

As far as the hp & tq gauges changing... they did not; still 480 and 480. However, it pegs both gauges quickly. As before the most I'd see on the hp gauge is around 450.
Mine fills both hp and tq to the max and then there's still increase you can feel, which you can't see on gauges as they maxed out. I don't think gauges are showing accurate values, but if yours maxes out at 450 - then your OTS tune is not up to par. Not to bash on your tune or anything, but how much is BPC tune in that BM3 database? Just wondering
What I meant was the gauges still read 480 and 480. The max I'd see on the stock tune was around 450 on the hp gauge and now it pegs 480 easily. No problem with the BM3 tune. Anxious to see what it's like after some data logging and a custom tune.
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I moved from RC to BM3 and its much smoother incase someone is wondering.
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I moved from RC to BM3 and its much smoother incase someone is wondering.
Have you swapped plugs or you are on stock plugs? Keep us posted if you will notice a shudder, jerkiness on WOT pulls. Several of us currently have this issue and we are trying to sort it out if it's plugs, TC (transfer case) or else (hpfp/injectors).
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Have you swapped plugs or you are on stock plugs? Keep us posted if you will notice a shudder, jerkiness on WOT pulls. Several of us currently have this issue and we are trying to sort it out if it's plugs, TC (transfer case) or else (hpfp/injectors).
I actually had my plugs act up while I was still on RC (same exact symptoms as you mention above) and got it changed literally 2 days before my factory warranty expired 2 months ago. Dealer did comment about carbon build up. I have literally 50k KMS. Around the same sold racechip and moved to this. No issues yet. The initial oomph isn't as aggressive as RC but with the new plugs, no issues in the 100 mile + drive.
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Have you swapped plugs or you are on stock plugs? Keep us posted if you will notice a shudder, jerkiness on WOT pulls. Several of us currently have this issue and we are trying to sort it out if it's plugs, TC (transfer case) or else (hpfp/injectors).
I actually had my plugs act up while I was still on RC (same exact symptoms as you mention above) and got it changed literally 2 days before my factory warranty expired 2 months ago. Dealer did comment about carbon build up. I have literally 50k KMS. Around the same sold racechip and moved to this. No issues yet. The initial oomph isn't as aggressive as RC but with the new plugs, no issues in the 100 mile + drive.
RC had more oomph then BM3?
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RC had more oomph then BM3?
Hah, BM3 has much more when I put it on compared to the RC I had. There was a noticeable difference for me.
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RC had more oomph then BM3?
Any flash tune will produce more power then a piggyback.
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Yes, I'm surprised RC feels more ooomph to the tune.
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Ya I figure the flash tune was better but I read this part......"The initial oomph isn't as aggressive as RC but with the new plugs, no issues in the 100 mile + drive"

I took that as it being better then the flash tune
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Ya I figure the flash tune was better but I read this part......"The initial oomph isn't as aggressive as RC but with the new plugs, no issues in the 100 mile + drive"

I took that as it being better then the flash tune
I can understand the RC having more INITIAL bite (which is what I think he meant by initial) but yes the flash will have overall better results. At least it better for how much it costs. Lol
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I can understand the RC having more INITIAL bite (which is what I think he meant by initial) but yes the flash will have overall better results. At least it better for how much it costs. Lol
Haha almost twice as much money so I guess it would make sense to make almost twice as much power 50 vs 100hp, but I think the RC is a nice alternative to someone who doesn’t want to flash.
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I can understand the RC having more INITIAL bite (which is what I think he meant by initial) but yes the flash will have overall better results. At least it better for how much it costs. Lol
Haha almost twice as much money so I guess it would make sense to make almost twice as much power 50 vs 100hp, but I think the RC is a nice alternative to someone who doesn’t want to flash.
Yup and someone who still has a warranty.
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Ok another 50+ mile drive today.
Subjectively on setting E of RC I think where I used to be, I would get a great 0-20 or so and then it simmered down and afterwards more jerking and hard shifting. Great for red lights and merging.
Will the BM3, it’s a nice and smooth, maybe 10-15% less aggressive in 0-20 (maybe it just feels that way) but an amazing 20-100. Amazing for highways and when there is a lot of slow and fast alternating traffic. No jerks yet.

Also most of this is on eco-pro or comfort.

Might be how the tune is designed and not a measure of the power increase. Or the new plugs.
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Just installed the BM3 stage 1 91 octane to my X5 50i. About to take it out and see what improvements I can feel. Had the BM3 stage 1 on my M4 and it was night and day different. Only thing they don’t have yet for the N63TU flash is burble configurations. I liked how I could totally adjust it on the M4, long/short loud/moderate etc, maybe this will be a feature down the road as it was a later feature for the S55 flash. My hp gauges went from 480 to 640 though.
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Just installed the BM3 stage 1 91 octane to my X5 50i. About to take it out and see what improvements I can feel. Had the BM3 stage 1 on my M4 and it was night and day different. Only thing they don’t have yet for the N63TU flash is burble configurations. I liked how I could totally adjust it on the M4, long/short loud/moderate etc, maybe this will be a feature down the road as it was a later feature for the S55 flash. My hp gauges went from 480 to 640 though.
I'll be interested to hear your short and long term impressions of the tune on your N63TU.

Why did you get rid of the M4? I want to flash BM3 to my F83, but the crank hub failures have got me scared enough that I may never do it.
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