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      02-14-2019, 01:55 PM   #2047
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it is a bit surprising that BMW didn't simply time their release for August.
I'm guessing BMW marketing department threatened to quit if they're made to promote six different new M cars within the space of a couple of months.
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      02-14-2019, 02:02 PM   #2048
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Early X3Ms and X4Ms are gonna be odd ducks out. While they're officially 2020 vehicles in the countries that use the "model year" concept, BMW, being a European company, doesn't really care about it. The actual production month is more important. This is why you see BMW modifying their cars and options on a 3-times-a-year cycle. For its European plants, it's March, July, and November (which is why you see press releases about improvement "measures" in February, June, and October). Their overseas plants are shifted by a month. So in this case, August production is what you should be waiting for.
Wow, this is great info! Thanks for the insight. I’m going to wait then
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Of course there won't be LCI any time soon - these are brand new models.

The new dashboard will be added for MY2020.
by new dashboard are we talking just live cockpit gauges or the full new idrive, live cockpit, new climate controls from G05/G20

and remote start?
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      02-14-2019, 02:44 PM   #2050
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by new dashboard are we talking just live cockpit gauges or the full new idrive, live cockpit, new climate controls from G05/G20

and remote start?
The latter.
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      02-14-2019, 02:49 PM   #2051
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this seems really odd, as mentioned the LCI isn't due until 2021 on the X3 (2022 model years I think) since it was just launched in 2017.

So if the dash and other options weren't going to be updated until 2021 it makes sense to buy the X3M now.

I can't really remember the last time BMW updated something this major between launch and LCI.

Any chance of Laser lights in August as well?
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      02-14-2019, 03:49 PM   #2052
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Any chance of Laser lights in August as well?
Adaptive LEDs seem to be the top level option still.
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      02-14-2019, 04:41 PM   #2053
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Adaptive LEDs seem to be the top level option still.
Weird. Who is killing the Laser lights in USA>? regulations are that strict?
BMW was able to go around it in i8. They also found a way with remote start - calling it climatize.
Call the laser lights - outside ambient Illumination.
But for now i got them in new X5 and they are close to useless in 3 areas
- distance limited from 600 to 300 m
- No dazzling option
- no cornering lights
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      02-14-2019, 08:42 PM   #2054
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Anything new about the X5 diesel for North American market?
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      02-14-2019, 09:48 PM   #2055
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Adaptive LEDs seem to be the top level option still.
They must be saving the laser lights for the X3 LCI which I’m guessing will be more than just a simple update, but rather a redesign of the lights and grille similar to how they pretty much re-did the entire front end of the 7 series as an LCI. This is all speculation on my part.
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      02-16-2019, 02:54 AM   #2056
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From time to time, we see this type of situation where new model variants are added to an existing lineup only shortly before a significant feature of the vehicle is going to be updated. However, this would seem to be a particularly extreme case.

Obviously the timing of the new dash is due to a long-planned update cycle for the X3/X4, so that was never a surprise to those working on the X3/X4 M program. Still, in this case, given that the new M models will really only be in production for about four months (from April to July) prior to the update, it is a bit surprising that BMW didn't simply time their release for August.

It is going to be interesting to see what type of reactions this causes both for those who are aware beforehand and struggle with perhaps delaying the purchase even longer and for those who are not aware beforehand and feel slighted when they find out (unfortunate souls not tuned in to BimmerPost). First world problems to be sure, and technically nothing new, but again, four months is really short - maybe the shortest I've seen yet.
Is this really how it is gonna be launched? Seems like a really screwed up plan and will definitely suck big time for the early X3M/X4M buyers. A short few months and the dash will be updated?

Or maybe the X3/X4 won't be getting the updated dash at all (until LCI). This makes more sense.
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      02-16-2019, 02:11 PM   #2057
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They must be saving the laser lights for the X3 LCI which Iím guessing will be more than just a simple update, but rather a redesign of the lights and grille similar to how they pretty much re-did the entire front end of the 7 series as an LCI. This is all speculation on my part.
Always great to see someone truly understand how BMW marketing works.
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Or maybe the X3/X4 won't be getting the updated dash at all (until LCI). This makes more sense.
It makes a lot of sense, and still you will see live dash there in August.
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      02-16-2019, 02:17 PM   #2058
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Anything new about the X5 diesel for North American market?
Stalled.

(See what I did here?)

Seriously though, I'm at 95% confidence right now that the US X3 30d and X5 40d will share the fate of RWD F31 or F45 - ready to go, but cancelled due to the lack of perceived demand.
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      02-16-2019, 06:48 PM   #2059
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Is this really how it is gonna be launched? Seems like a really screwed up plan and will definitely suck big time for the early X3M/X4M buyers. A short few months and the dash will be updated?

Or maybe the X3/X4 won't be getting the updated dash at all (until LCI). This makes more sense.
For some people they might not want the new dash or idrive. Personally I'm waiting to order an M5 hoping the '20 MY 5 series will have the new dash and idrive, but it doesn't seem like the change is universally loved.
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      02-16-2019, 06:59 PM   #2060
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ynguldyn, Iím seeing the 4 Series convertible/coupe being referred to as the G22/G23 respectively, instead of the other way around. This would be similar to the former 6 Series and now 8 Series where the convertible gets the lowest numbered model code. Thoughts?
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      02-16-2019, 07:15 PM   #2061
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ynguldyn, Iím seeing the 4 Series convertible/coupe being referred to as the G22/G23 respectively, instead of the other way around. This would be similar to the former 6 Series and now 8 Series where the convertible gets the lowest numbered model code. Thoughts?
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I have received confirmation that the G30 530e will finally receive the xDrive version with MY 2020, SOP 07/19 in Europe (has only been available in USA until now).

I believe the reason for the xDrive version not being available in Europe is that the RWD version is 49g CO2/km rated but the xDrive version is 52 CO2/km, hence missing the vital 50 mark which just wont work in EU due to tax reasons.

One way to reduce these emission lower than 50 is to upgrade the batteries. I'm guessing here but could the reason for the xDrive finally being available in EU as MY2020 that they are upgrading the battery?

The upcoming X5 45e will have a range of 80 km and the upcoming 330e a range of 60km. The current 530e's 45km will hence be lower than even the 3 series.

Have you heard of a battery upgrade for the MY2020 530e?

And thanks for the info so far
Apparently the answer to my question above is that for MY 2020 (production 7/19) the batteries in the 530e will increase in capacity about 30%.

This means that the changes to MY2020 will be at least:

- 30% increase in battery capacity
- xDrive available for Eurpoe
- Live cockpit (new dash)

That's a decent upgrade for a non-facelift MY refresh.

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Is the X5 45e still scheduled to arrive this fall in the U.S. (MY20)?

Also, do we know if the G05 is going to get new options for MY20 like the Alcantara Headliner, LED Sky Roof illumination, display key or a power 2nd row option without having to opt for 3rd row and a remote start that can be triggered by android app?

Curious what the 45e would cost over the 40i and the M50i over the 50i. The M50i is confirmed for MY20, right?

Thanks!
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Is the X5 45e still scheduled to arrive this fall in the U.S. (MY20)?

Also, do we know if the G05 is going to get new options for MY20 like the Alcantara Headliner, LED Sky Roof illumination, display key or a power 2nd row option without having to opt for 3rd row and a remote start that can be triggered by android app?

Curious what the 45e would cost over the 40i and the M50i over the 50i. The M50i is confirmed for MY20, right?

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Market intro timeline is always kept current in the top post.

Precise option availability and pricing are outside the scope of this thread.
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Market intro timeline is always kept current in the top post.
Thanks!

So I guess that means as long as it is listed for a MY20 U.S. introduction in the first post, there is no information available stating the opposite.
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It makes a lot of sense, and still you will see live dash there in August.
Wow. That sounds pretty confident. However, there are some other news that kinda contradicts it. For one, the 7 series LCI won't be getting the new dash. If a top of the line car won't be getting the new dash with an LCI, why would they update the X3 in a casual production update? The G30 will also be just getting the new instrument cluster and not the new dash for MY2020?
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For one, the 7 series LCI won't be getting the new dash.
Wrong. https://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1574011
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It makes a lot of sense, and still you will see live dash there in August.
Wow. That sounds pretty confident. However, there are some other news that kinda contradicts it. For one, the 7 series LCI won't be getting the new dash. If a top of the line car won't be getting the new dash with an LCI, why would they update the X3 in a casual production update? The G30 will also be just getting the new instrument cluster and not the new dash for MY2020?
You are wrong. The 7 series LCI got the live dash upgrade. Live dash upgrade does not equal dashboard redesign. I'm pretty sure he is very confident because he works there and has access to confidential info. But sure, let's take your word for it over his.
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