Anyone Else Disappointed in Electric Steering on New X5?

[Hellrot]

Originally Posted by frenchie1013

Yes - i have it set that way - when you select sport, there should be a gear icon for setting....you can then just click on chassis instead of drivetrain and chassis.
I keep sport plus for when i what the better throttle response. Works great.

Side note, i had a loaner 19 x5 40i. The steering is great on the new ones - literally my only complaint with my F15 is the steering....maybe gas mileage but i bought a v8 for a reason !

Oh ok thanks for the details. I don't have a gear though. Is that because I have standard suspension?

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Hellrot

Oh ok thanks for the details. I don't have a gear though. Is that because I have standard suspension?

Yes.

[Hellrot]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Yes.

Any way to code this option in?

[geedup35]

Originally Posted by Road Carnage

I totally agree. The steering, brakes and suspension on my E70 were BMW all the way. Pure pleasure to drive.

My F15, mehhh, not so much. Stock it was like driving a '76 Caddy. Too plush for my tastes. Adding KW coilovers solved the suspension issue, new brakes and rotors all around helped with the braking but in stock form still not as good as the E70 so MPBK is on the list. Steering, I don't love it but have learned to live with it. No easy fix that I'm aware of.

I didn't realize the steering response on the '76 Caddy was so advanced for it's time.

Good to know.
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[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Hellrot

Any way to code this option in?

No cuz you don't have the parts necessary to change such settings.

[Hellrot]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

No cuz you don't have the parts necessary to change such settings.

Right, for the suspension, but when I go into sport mode my throttle response and steering do change. Those are just software changes.

[mikew2069]

Originally Posted by Hellrot

Right, for the suspension, but when I go into sport mode my throttle response and steering do change. Those are just software changes.

That's an interesting thought. You would think the steering would just require coding.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Hellrot

Right, for the suspension, but when I go into sport mode my throttle response and steering do change. Those are just software changes.

I know the transmission can be coded. It's talked about in the coding thread. Try searching there

[Hellrot]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

I know the transmission can be coded. It's talked about in the coding thread. Try searching there

Yeah I'm on the hunt, I'll let you guys know if I find anything.

[DuSh]

So I've just read a blog of x5 owner who dropped his car on H&R springs and swapped stock wheels to 22 inch with low profile tires. He is saying car handling improved dramatically, even steering became stiffer and it's no longer possible to turn it with one finger like he used to on stock springs/wheels. He claims he needs to really pull steering wheel now like on older E series sedans. He is saying he is now enjoying twisted roads and turns as body roll is dramatically reduced.
I'm thinking maybe that's the missing link that f15 needs? Can anyone with H&R and 22 rims share experience? Thank you

[mikew2069]

Originally Posted by DuSh

So I've just read a blog of x5 owner who dropped his car on H&R springs and swapped stock wheels to 22 inch with low profile tires. He is saying car handling improved dramatically, even steering became stiffer and it's no longer possible to turn it with one finger like he used to on stock springs/wheels. He claims he needs to really pull steering wheel now like on older E series sedans. He is saying he is now enjoying twisted roads and turns as body roll is dramatically reduced.
I'm thinking maybe that's the missing link that f15 needs? Can anyone with H&R and 22 rims share experience? Thank you

I'm on H&R with 21" X5M wheels and MPSS rubber and I definitely do not share the same experience as the blogger... Not 22s but close.

[DuSh]

Originally Posted by mikew2069

I'm on H&R with 21" X5M wheels and MPSS rubber and I definitely do not share the same experience as the blogger... Not 22s but close.

Does car feel more planted and compose or there's basically no improvement in handling compared to stock?

[mikew2069]

Originally Posted by DuSh

Does car feel more planted and compose or there's basically no improvement in handling compared to stock?

Sure there was a bit of an improvement. Stock was definitely like a plush boat. Had Lexus feel to it. The H&Rs tightened things up - decreased body roll and front/rear diving and squatting but the stock shocks don't match up well with them so it is a tad bumpy and sloppy feeling. I ordered Bilstein B6 shocks to see if they would pair well but they are on backorder and I've been waiting two months now so I'm thinking about just cancelling and going coilovers.

For me, the steering did not change at all and is just way too loose. You really do not feel any of the road through the steering wheel. Honestly I would describe the steering as unsafe feeling if you're trying to push it.

[Maverik259]

I just can't go 22". Would make the brakes look like I swapped over to a 3 series set up lol. I would have to scratch my M brakes for some Brembo 405s or something. And such a small tire would only make the road less smooth. There's a balance but I don't think 22" is that balance. Idk man. Plus 20" tires are expensive enough as it is lol. I can only imagine. Maybe if I lived somewhere with better roads.

Also less side wall should make the steering easier. Just saying.

[mikew2069]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

I just can't go 22". Would make the brakes look like I swapped over to a 3 series set up lol. I would have to scratch my M brakes for some Brembo 405s or something. And such a small tire would only make the road less smooth. There's a balance but I don't think 22" is that balance. Idk man. Plus 20" tires are expensive enough as it is lol. I can only imagine. Maybe if I lived somewhere with better roads.

Also less side wall should make the steering easier. Just saying.

I agree, there's a balance. I think that balance is 21" - for me at least. But 22" tires are cheaper than 21" b/c 22s are more common.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by mikew2069

I agree, there's a balance. I think that balance is 21" - for me at least. But 22" tires are cheaper than 21" b/c 22s are more common.

That is a good point

[Road Carnage]

Originally Posted by mikew2069

Sure there was a bit of an improvement. Stock was definitely like a plush boat. Had Lexus feel to it. The H&Rs tightened things up - decreased body roll and front/rear diving and squatting but the stock shocks don't match up well with them so it is a tad bumpy and sloppy feeling. I ordered Bilstein B6 shocks to see if they would pair well but they are on backorder and I've been waiting two months now so I'm thinking about just cancelling and going coilovers.

For me, the steering did not change at all and is just way too loose. You really do not feel any of the road through the steering wheel. Honestly I would describe the steering as unsafe feeling if you're trying to push it.

You might want to consider the KW coilovers. I had the H&R on order originally. Before mine arrived, my SA told me they just installed a set on another X5 and took it for a ride and felt they was not well matched to the stock shocks, too bouncy, just as you are describing. They strongly urged me to go with the KW’s, which I did, and am quite happy with them.

There is a noticeable, but not huge, difference between my 21” summer setup and my 19” winter set as far as firmness of ride and steering feel. 21’s are a bit firmer and steering is a bit more responsive.

[Russmov]

Originally Posted by Road Carnage

You might want to consider the KW coilovers. I had the H&R on order originally. Before mine arrived, my SA told me they just installed a set on another X5 and took it for a ride and felt they was not well matched to the stock shocks, too bouncy, just as you are describing. They strongly urged me to go with the KW’s, which I did, and am quite happy with them.

There is a noticeable, but not huge, difference between my 21” summer setup and my 19” winter set as far as firmness of ride and steering feel. 21’s are a bit firmer and steering is a bit more responsive.

Aren't the KW's very expensive?

[mikew2069]

Originally Posted by Russmov

Aren't the KW's very expensive?

Yea around $2500

[Russmov]

To rich for my blood lol. Do they improve things that dramatically?

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by Russmov

To rich for my blood lol. Do they improve things that dramatically?

Lol if you're in the track.

I mean you will definitely feel the difference day to day but for $2500....I'd rather have X5M brakes lol

Shite. I also have DHP sooooo maybe this isn't a great comparison.

[Russmov]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Lol if you're in the track.

I mean you will definitely feel the difference day to day but for $2500....I'd rather have X5M brakes lol

Shite. I also have DHP sooooo maybe this isn't a great comparison.

Yeah I don't personally have a need for this, was just wondering if it helped for some people's needs.
I have adaptive M suspension and it seems to work pretty well. 🤷🏻*♂️
Also, for that money I'd probably go up to 22's for summer, or maybe carbon splitter