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2008 e90 328i is it a blown head gasket or is it something else?
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03-17-2022, 02:33 AM | #1 |
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2008 e90 328i is it a blown head gasket or is it something else?
So I was driving my e90 back from work when I get a low oil signal on my dash. I'm thinking, no way I have low oil I just did an oil change two weeks prior. I check my oil level on the dash and sure enough there's only one quart left in the engine. At this point I'm freaking out and pull my car into a parking lot near by to see what exactly is going on. As I take a look under the hood I notice oil everywhere in the front passenger side like an oil bomb exploded. I take a look under the car and a nice big puddle of oil is gathering but no sign of where the leak is coming from since there's oil all over the inside. I checked the drain plug and it was dry and tight. After I tow it home I began my inspection of the engine bay with the intention of cleaning the engine to find the leak source. I start to drain my coolant and low and behold, there's oil mixed in with it. I start to think it's a blow head gasket but I'm not too sure since there's no coolant inside the engine it all looked fine. Plus it wasn't overheating at all and was running fine prior to the leak. I checked the crankshaft seal and no leak there. And I'm sure it's not the rear crankshaft seal since the spill was towards the front passenger side. I'm at a loss , does anyone have any ideas?
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03-17-2022, 03:40 AM | #2 |
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oil+coolant mix on n52 seems more likely to be oil cooler gasket failure, you checked around there?
that plus valve cover/gasket could explain the volume of oil (n.b. i dont think the dash will tell you that you only have 1 quart left, at least on mine the level indicator is showing min = ~5.5L, max = ~6.5L) |
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03-17-2022, 05:42 PM | #3 |
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First of all when you get the oil warning you are down only one quart against
the 7 quarts that should be in there. ? Second of all do you know exactly how much you put in ? Third of all do you know how the oil gauge works because if you don't when adding you can overfill it easily. The electronic oil indicator and the warning only operate of the top quart. It doesn't update till you have driven the car enough for the oil comes up to temperature so don't keep pouring oil in and expect to get a valid reading. If the accessory belt breaks it can get sucked into the engine through the front main oil seal. Also a OFG gasket that is really bad may cause this. broken belt http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho....php?t=1231881 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...3&postcount=23 https://www.oxwerkzperformance.com/ http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1477111 https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1305990 Head gaskets do not blow on these very often . But all the other gaskets go bad . VCG and OFG are pretty much something everybody that owns a BMW will experience. Pictures would be good. Last edited by ctuna; 03-17-2022 at 05:48 PM.. |
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03-17-2022, 07:26 PM | #5 |
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Dash won't show you if you only have a quart in there. Bottom of the mark means one quart low, top of the mark means full. OFHG will cause oil to get in your coolant and is much more likely.
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03-17-2022, 07:27 PM | #6 | |
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03-17-2022, 08:08 PM | #7 |
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Would that cause a spill on the front of the engine on the passenger side? Because that's where most of the oil was dripping from....
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03-17-2022, 08:20 PM | #9 | |
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What would present that way is an improperly installed oil filter o-ring that has allowed oil to escape at relatively high pressure onto the belt. Or, as others have said, an OFHG leak. I just don’t know what else could be localized to the passenger side, other than front crank seal or oil pan gasket. But the volume of oil you describe sounds like it came out at relatively high pressure… I’m struggling to believe that your OFHG just took a monumental shit and spontaneously failed though. You drove your car regularly for the two weeks after your oil change?
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03-17-2022, 11:00 PM | #11 |
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I'm betting you have a cracked valve cover or clogged pcv that caused a leak to come up more suddenly than it would if the gasket was just getting old. Valve cover crack or badly leaking valve cover gasket would pool oil where you're describing. I'm 99% sure your head gasket is fine.
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03-17-2022, 11:08 PM | #12 |
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Recently, I saw oil dripping heavily from the top of the engine onto my headers, and I was worried at first. Until I realized that I had not turned the oil filler cap all the way down when I last added oil, so it was loose and puking oil, especially after some high rev driving.. Might be something worth looking at.
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03-18-2022, 09:45 AM | #14 |
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OP, when the dash shows the "+1qt" icon, it means the oil level is low by one (1) quart and the e-dipstick is telling you to add 1 quart/liter of oil to get the engine oil level to the correct volume.
It does sound like a CCV (crank case ventilation) system error that might have cracked the plastic valve cover, or you did not properly (i.e. fully) tighten the oil fill cap. Blown headgaskets do not externally leak oil like that. For that much oil to leak out of the engine and spray all over the engine, it is coming out of a crack or open in the valve cover. Remove the engine cover and take some pic so we can help diagnose your oil leak. Who actually performed the oil change? You, or a shop? |
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03-18-2022, 01:14 PM | #15 |
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Very similar thing happened to my E90 last week yet it also made an odd chirping sound when decelerating, but it would disappear when I would shut the engine off and fire her back up. Did not make any sense as I did the entire tensioning system and pulleys in October. So I Began taking my engine apart found it to be the valve cover gasket for the top end oil spilling, but that did not explain the oil leaking from the bottom. So I gave up after ordering the valve cover and took my car into a private BMW mechanic who builds custom ones, within half an hour he told me it was the VANOS solenoid malfunctioning causing it to spew oil all underneath the car! So I ordered the part and fixed her up on Tuesday, and she has never ran better since I bought it. No visible oil leaks anymore! So I hope this helps.
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03-18-2022, 04:55 PM | #19 |
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Also worth mentioning, it's possible your OFHG isn't currently leaking but did at one point. It takes 3-4 flushes to get all the contaminated coolant out in my experience. I'm betting PCV caused two leaks though. Good luck!
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03-18-2022, 08:39 PM | #20 |
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Coolant and oil? Sure sounds like an OFHG failure as the primary culprit. Once it gets in the coolant, it tends to leak out of the reservoir from what I've seen. Since it's less dense than the coolant, I could see how it would give the appearance of only leaking oil.
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0) Visualize oil cooler lines from engine to cooler, as well as OFHG at all sides; take photos of what can be seen from above; Good photos will often show things you didn't see visually due to lighting, tight spaces, line of sight, etc. 01) Place cardboard or a metal drip pan such as that linked below to catch oil running off rear of splash shield; https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...%26+Drain+Pans 02) Check Coolant Level in Reservoir, or if you already have drained or removed SOME coolant, was Reservoir completely FULL when you checked after "Oil Bomb"? Is there oil at Reservoir Overflow Drain Outlet? 1) Raise front of vehicle by driving onto ramps, jacking, or HOWEVER you normally do it to drain sump; 2) Drain sump into clean drain pan (so you can use 2-week old oil again); BUT check closely for oil in Coolant; 3) MEASURE volume oil to determine how much was lost; 4) Drain Front Splash Shield and remove (making as little mess as possible ;-) 5) Try to identify SOURCE of leak from oil drain trails on components; using bright LED light at night often shows "Wet streaks" NOT visible otherwise; if NOT, then proceed: 6) Use paper towels or rags to wipe off as much oil as possible from engine to better identify source after "Pressurizing Oil Gallery" in (7); If climate allows, add water to fill coolant reservoir to proper level; 7) Insert Drain Plug. Pour 6 qt. oil into engine; start engine & idle 10 seconds; oil pressure will be achieved; turn engine OFF; look for "oil bomb". NOT sure how a single fault/failure could cause (1) Oil in Coolant, AND (2) External Oil Leak. However, if you already have oil in coolant, I would try to identify the external oil leak FIRST. Internal failure of OFHG is most likely cause of oil in coolant. It does NOT have to leak externally, but you COULD have Both. Of course OFH is NOT on Right side of engine, but if there is a LOT of oil in the splash shield, it may leak from splash shield somewhere OTHER than directly below Leak SOURCE. George Last edited by gbalthrop; 03-18-2022 at 10:02 PM.. |
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You say the oil leak is evident on the right side of the engine (i.e. passenger side - exhaust side), which is the only reason I've not suggested it could be a misplaced large O-ring on the OFH cap, but may just check it anyway to be sure.
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