[Pentland]

I’m going to do an interim DIY oil change post run in - Dealer wants £346.38 and I’ll bet they add on disposal charges etc.

Anyway, there is a myriad of discussion on the correct type oil for a UK 2023 M240i (with ZTK) often muddled by the inclusion of US models and various manufacture years being potentially different.
Contacted the BMW “genius” and they couldn’t advise

Castrol Edge 0W-30 comes up a lot in these threads. However, as far as I can see, there is not a Longlife 12 or 17 version. It is also confusing with the LL, M and non designated types of edge.

Had a look at Mobil 1 ESP LV 0W-30 and it meets all the designations in the manual.

Has anyone any experience or views on the Mobile oil or can confirm if it’s a valid choice?

Also does the amount of oil needed increase with the ZTK pack?

Here is what the manual says. (Note it only mentions top ups, not full changes):

[CarPoor]

We don’t get a Mobil product in the US that meets either of those specs, but if you have one there that’s documented to then you should be fine. In LL 12FE here I think we only get Motul. It looks like Opie Oils there carry’s this as well and there may be a Fuchs offering too. Opie does carry a Fuchs LL 17FE+ that I’ve imported for my M240 fwiw.

[RockCrusher]

While I used Mobil 1 for years in my (among other cars) Porsche cars and put hundreds of thousands of miles on the cars with no oiling issues my advice is to use the oil the factory, in this case BMW, recommends.

For my new 2022 230i and now just last Friday my new 2023 M2 I use the BMW labeled oil. For "topping up" bought 2 bottles at the local BMW dealer last Saturday.

Link to the oil:

https://www.shopbmwusa.com/PRODUCT/6...-OIL---1-LITER

However, the above oil is not approved for use in the M240i engine.

This oil is:

https://www.blauparts.com/bmw-m240i-...life-17fe.html

And there are probably other brands, too.

Almost always though when I need oil for one of my cars I'll just buy the oil from a local car dealer parts counter. I get the factory recommended oil -- and the same oil that is in currently in the engine. At the same time I can pick up a new filter and any seals/o-rings/sealing necessary for a proper oil change.

Added: Might mention too the page from the owners manual posted directs one to a Service Partner of the manufacturer for suitable oils.

[danallxt]

You are right, it can get very confusing, BMW's fault.
the US 2022 models (m240x) only speced LL-14FE or LL-17fe, only certain 0-20 oils met that spec. Euro on the other hand also had LL-12Fe as an allowable spec...that spec can be met by certain 0-30 oils.
Then in 2023 BMW changed the US spec to also include the LL-12fe spec, thereby including potential 0-30 oils.

There are very few 0-30 oils that meet this LL-12fe spec (or rather i should say have submitted the oil for approval and have met that specs requirements for approval). Motul has one and you listed that Mobil 1 ESP LV 0W-30, and looking into it, it does have the LL-12fe approval according to their website....so why not use it?

Motul has one called Motul SPecific LL-12fe 0-30.
There may be others (Fuchs has a 0-30 with LL-12fe approval)
the oil mentioned above post (Ravenol) is a 0-20, i believe you are looking for a 0-30 so go with the Mobil or Motul.

[danallxt]

Here is what the manual says. (Note it only mentions top ups, not full changes):

I just noticed that....mention of only top ups, I suspect that is because BMW expects oil changes to be done by dealerships.

[335i E92]

I’m in the same boat and trying to decide which 12-FE approved 0w-30 oil to chose.

As per my below thread ‘which is next to this one’, seems the only options are the Motiul Specific, Fuches or the Mobil one mentioned by the OP.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=30015366

I spoke to my local dealer who confirmed that whilst the handbook mentions top up it also fine for a full oil change. 👍

[CarPoor]

Originally Posted by danallxt

You are right, it can get very confusing, BMW's fault.
the US 2022 models (m240x) only speced LL-14FE or LL-17fe, only certain 0-20 oils met that spec. Euro on the other hand also had LL-12Fe as an allowable spec...that spec can be met by certain 0-30 oils.
Then in 2023 BMW changed the US spec to also include the LL-12fe spec, thereby including potential 0-30 oils.

There are very few 0-30 oils that meet this LL-12fe spec (or rather i should say have submitted the oil for approval and have met that specs requirements for approval). Motul has one and you listed that Mobil 1 ESP LV 0W-30, and looking into it, it does have the LL-12fe approval according to their website....so why not use it?

Motul has one called Motul SPecific LL-12fe 0-30.
There may be others (Fuchs has a 0-30 with LL-12fe approval)
the oil mentioned above post (Ravenol) is a 0-20, i believe you are looking for a 0-30 so go with the Mobil or Motul.

Weird. My 23 manual only specs LL 17FE+ and for top ups one quart/liter of 0w20 SL, SM, or SN. I’d be happy to run 0w30 LL 12FE.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by CarPoor

Weird. My 23 manual only specs LL 17FE+ and for top ups one quart/liter of 0w20 SL, SM, or SN. I’d be happy to run 0w30 LL 12FE.

You are in the US right? As per original post, this thread is asking about UK spec.

[CarPoor]

Originally Posted by Pentland

You are in the US right? As per original post, this thread is asking about UK spec.

Correct and got that. Why I referenced you to Opie.

[danallxt]

I must apologize for likely posting misinformation!!!
Above i stated that the US spec for 2023 models now included LL-12fe. I had obtained that from a digital copy of a manual i got from a lister that was supposedly a 2023 US spec manual. Unfortunately i have lost that contact and only have a copy of the relevant page, thus cannot verify.
Could someone that has a 2023 m240 US plug in your vin and check the online manual? And let me know so i don't make that error again.
Anyway the US and Euro spec engines are the same, so i would not hesiiate to use a LL-12fe oil....but i don't want to spread misinformation about what BMW actually specs for 2023 US models.

[335i E92]

OP, did you settle on a particular brand?

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by 335i E92

OP, did you settle on a particular brand?

I’ve settled on the Mobil 1 but I’ve not done the change yet. Still deciding if it’s worth it (I think it is) but also when. I’m thinking at around the 2000 mile mark.

[335i E92]

I’ve just tipped 2k and have booked in to my local BMW Indy next week for an oil change.

Not yet decided which oil to order, is there a reason you went with Mobil 1 over the Motul or Fuches brands?

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by 335i E92

I’ve just tipped 2k and have booked in to my local BMW Indy next week for an oil change.

Not yet decided which oil to order, is there a reason you went with Mobil 1 over the Motul or Fuches brands?

I liked the packaging

TBH, it was hurting my head looking.

Did you buy your own oil filter? If so do you know the part number off hand?

[CarPoor]

Originally Posted by danallxt

I must apologize for likely posting misinformation!!!
Above i stated that the US spec for 2023 models now included LL-12fe. I had obtained that from a digital copy of a manual i got from a lister that was supposedly a 2023 US spec manual. Unfortunately i have lost that contact and only have a copy of the relevant page, thus cannot verify.
Could someone that has a 2023 m240 US plug in your vin and check the online manual? And let me know so i don't make that error again.
Anyway the US and Euro spec engines are the same, so i would not hesiiate to use a LL-12fe oil....but i don't want to spread misinformation about what BMW actually specs for 2023 US models.

Here’s what I get.

[335i E92]

Changed the oil last week at 2.5k miles. Went for Mobil 1 BMW LL 12FE 0w-30.

Car runs great, feels a little smother. One thing I’ve noticed though is the additional oil cooler kicks in far more than it did when pushing on.

I guess the slightly thicker oil doesn’t disperse heat as quickly as the 0w-20? Regardless, surely the 0w-30 povides better protection under spirited driving?

[TheoK]

I highly recommend liqui moly oil for the M240i.

Here is a 0W30
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ca/cat...d/34280/#22261

Here is a 5W30
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ca/spe...847.html#20444

I live in Canada and this is also what’s recommended for our cars on liqui moly’s website USA/CAN.

I’m sure if you go on their website they will have their recommended oil for UK/Euro Market.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by TheoK

I highly recommend liqui moly oil for the M240i.

Here is a 0W30
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ca/cat...d/34280/#22261

Here is a 5W30
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ca/spe...847.html#20444

I live in Canada and this is also what’s recommended for our cars on liqui moly’s website USA/CAN.

I’m sure if you go on their website they will have their recommended oil for UK/Euro Market.

Going by the extract from the Uk user manual, neither of the above oils are suitable for UK vehicles.

In the interest of avoiding spreading misinformation could we, per topic title, keep this thread for oil spec’d for vehicles please?

[TheoK]

Originally Posted by Pentland

Going by the extract from the Uk user manual, neither of the above oils are suitable for UK vehicles.

In the interest of avoiding spreading misinformation could we, per topic title, keep this thread for oil spec’d for vehicles please?

This is definitely not misinformation. These are approved oils for the vehicles. If you go to the dealership, like I did, they will also give you approved oils that are not in the user manual. Go to your parts department and ask them. They have alternatives for the vehicle. Along with LL 17+ FE, LL01 FE is an also approved alternative.

[danallxt]

I know the OP is asking about UK oils...but i thought this was interesting, note: it only addresses North America

Updated April 14, 2021
Castrol rejoins BMW's as a oil supplier in 2021 after Shell took over from Castrol beginning in 2015. After 5 years with Shell, Castrol regained their status with the Bavarian automaker.


--March 6, 2021
Castrol Americas (bp) Press Release - BP Awarded BMW Genuine Oil Contract In 2021.

Available here.

Press Release Overview
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bp (February 15th, 2021), a world leading supplier of high-performance lubricants, and the manufacturer of the Castrol Oil Brands, is proud to announce it has been selected as the engine oil partner for BMW and MINI authorized dealers across the US, Canada, and Mexico. This new five-year agreement re-establishes a long-standing partnership between these two premium brands as Castrol had been the engine oil supplier over a 14-year span

But related to the original post, there IS a Castrol Edge with BMW l-17fe certification/approval....it may be hard to find.

New Castrol Edge Engine Oil - LL 17 FE+ - 0W-20 Synthetic (5 Quart), 15E71C

>The picture of the container did show the LL17fe cert.

Now if they (Castrol) make a 0-30 that meets (or has) the LL-12fe cert, dunno...have not seen it but it seems surprising that it is the "supplier" of BMW oils and not have a BMW LL-12fe cert oil?

[danallxt]

Originally Posted by Pentland

Going by the extract from the Uk user manual, neither of the above oils are suitable for UK vehicles.

In the interest of avoiding spreading misinformation could we, per topic title, keep this thread for oil spec’d for vehicles please?

Pentland is correct in that the oil referenced above does NOT have the BMW cert for ll-12fe or ll-17fe.
However there is a liqui moly that does have the ll-12fe cert, it is liqui moly top tech 6100 0-30.

Top Tec 6100 SAE 0W-30
SKU: 22239
1 l
Top Tec 6100 SAE 0W-30
Fully synthetic low-SAPS motor oil, designed for optimum engine and exhaust gas aftertreatment system durability and for lowest possible fuel consumption. Guarantees lowest friction and outstanding protection even under tough operating conditions in numerous BMW diesel vehicles, a variety of Mercedes-Benz vehicles as well as specific Asian and ... Learn More

Approvals: ACEA C2, API SP, BMW Longlife-12 FE, MB-Freigabe 227.61/229.61

[G42-Genie]

I'm from the UK and currently researching for an oil change. I'm at 2000 miles and currently looking at Mobil 1 oil, but have noticed another make specified as a BMW oil.

Euro Car Parts stock "TRIPLE QX SynPlus Engine Oil 0W-30 BMW - 5Ltr"
If you zoom in on the picture of the product it states "Synthetic motor oil where BMW Longlife - 12FE oil is required and mandatory in the newest petrol and diesel engines".
It also states its meets the requirements of ACCA C2 and BMW Longlife -12FE and all for £38.49 for 5 Ltr's

https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/tripl...5ltr-521773551

Has anyone else used this oil or can confirm if this is ok to use?