[NICK@WAGNER-TUNING]

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[nafoo]

Are you currently involved in litigation for copying Helix's two-step design?

[._.]

lol, your rough

[nafoo]

Genuinely curious! I figured they were safe from US Patent laws since they were in Europe, but now I see they opened up in California.

Either way, it's a good design and I'm sure their version works well and is easier to connect, right?

[NICK@WAGNER-TUNING]

Our intercooler was designed to utilize the maximum space available. An offset core was the logical choice.

[nitehawk]

Good answer.

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by nafoo

Are you currently involved in litigation for copying Helix's two-step design?

You must walk around with brass ones between your legs? Sorry to burst your bubble but helix is not the first company to bring a stepped design to intercoolers.

[Elliott@DetailAddict]

Hey Carsten,
Any group buys coming up or sales?
I'd love to pick a FMIC up.

[Diggy Diggy]

Originally Posted by Grant@DetailAddict

Hey Carsten,
Any group buys coming up or sales?
I'd love to pick a FMIC up.

+2

Group buy?

[NICK@WAGNER-TUNING]

We will be doing a lot of sales and group buys real soon!!!!!

[phazen23]

Originally Posted by nafoo

Genuinely curious! I figured they were safe from US Patent laws since they were in Europe, but now I see they opened up in California.

Either way, it's a good design and I'm sure their version works well and is easier to connect, right?

I just did a quick second search @ uspto.gov, as well as looked at helix's website and found no mention of Helix having a patent on the two step design.

Which leaves 3 possibilities: 1) they were too lazy to file a patent (not likely), 2) the time and expense weren't justified (possible, but crazy), 3) They didn't invent the two step design (most likely).

Bottom line: No need to be so unfriendly to a new vendor.

Welcome Wagner, we look forward to the competition you bring to your competitors!

[benzy89]

VRSF vs Wagner in the new FMIC market -- Who you got?

[NICK@WAGNER-TUNING]

Originally Posted by phazen23

I just did a quick second search @ uspto.gov, as well as looked at helix's website and found no mention of Helix having a patent on the two step design.

Which leaves 3 possibilities: 1) they were too lazy to file a patent (not likely), 2) the time and expense weren't justified (possible, but crazy), 3) They didn't invent the two step design (most likely).

Bottom line: No need to be so unfriendly to a new vendor.

Welcome Wagner, we look forward to the competition you bring to your competitors!

Thanks for welcoming us with open arms !!!

[gaifaun]

finally! Many of us have been eyeing your direct replacement intercooler that uses oem plumbing. you're the only one offering this solution so please start a Group Buy soon!

[Pyrrhic]

+3 Group buy!

[335(EX)(EYE)]

Plus a million gb

[NICK@WAGNER-TUNING]

Originally Posted by gaifaun

finally! Many of us have been eyeing your direct replacement intercooler that uses oem plumbing. you're the only one offering this solution so please start a Group Buy soon!

Thanks guys I will get a Group Buy going really soon for you guys.

[benzy89]

I'm big on the stepped core design (hence the Helix), but I've seen some blacked out Wagners & they're looking goooood. Had I not gone with the Helix, prob would've pulled the trigger on this and just upgraded all the piping.

[NICK@WAGNER-TUNING]

Originally Posted by benzy89

I'm big on the stepped core design (hence the Helix), but I've seen some blacked out Wagners & they're looking goooood. Had I not gone with the Helix, prob would've pulled the trigger on this and just upgraded all the piping.

Thanks for the complements on the blacked out intercooler.

[mundo74]

Just installed one I got from carsten. The major difference between the helix is the use of stock couplers. I like mine so far. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...9#post12178689

[djjasper]

Originally Posted by mundo74

Just installed one I got from carsten. The major difference between the helix is the use of stock couplers. I like mine so far. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...9#post12178689

This is the one that clips right on in place of the factory one right? Seems to be more of a cosmetic mod if the pinch-point at the factory connection is not addressed. Does look cool all black though.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by djjasper

This is the one that clips right on in place of the factory one right? Seems to be more of a cosmetic mod if the pinch-point at the factory connection is not addressed. Does look cool all black though.

That pinch point may become an issue if I'm in the +400 whp club with the airflow/boost required to do that. But I have no interest in pushing my car that far.