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      03-15-2014, 12:43 PM   #1
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The lucky folks over at Motor Trend get a chance to drive the upcoming X5 eDrive plug in, follow the link to their full article, but here are some select quotes:

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In regards to the current ActiveHybrid X5:
You might be asking what it’s good for, other than silently cruising the Whole Foods parking lot. The idea is to be able to recapture some of the energy normally thrown away while braking and return it in the opposite direction. (Think of it in the same way Formula 1 uses its Kinetic Energy Recovery System.) It works fantastically for that.
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With nearly six times the capacity of the current Activehybrids, the X5 eDrive Plug-in will have a full electric range of about 18 miles and a top speed north of 70 mph, and will still do 0-60 in less than 7 seconds. BMW tells us that more than 30 percent of all X5 owners have commutes of less than 18 miles, which would mean those lucky drivers will be driving what is essentially an electric car on a daily basis.
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There are other unexpected luxuries in a plug-in hybrid. One is being able to precondition your car on hot or cold days. With an app on your phone you can tell it when you want to leave, and when you get to your vehicle it is exactly as comfy as you would like, all powered off the wall socket. If you have the same routine every day, you’d just set the car to be ready every weekday at whatever time you leave. It’s like telling Jeeves to “ready the car.”
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      03-15-2014, 02:44 PM   #2
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Nice. This would work for me for 75% of time. However on road trips far from home not so much
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Nice. This would work for me for 75% of time. However on road trips far from home not so much
Why wouldn't it work on road trips far from home?
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      03-15-2014, 09:50 PM   #5
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Nice. This would work for me for 75% of time. However on road trips far from home not so much
Why wouldn't it work on road trips far from home?
He probably said that with the electric mode in mind.
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He probably said that with the electric mode in mind.
But it seems like that's missing the whole point of what makes this evolution of the technology special.
-Electric cars just aren't there yet. For some people with specific needs in specific places, they work, but for most of us, just not there yet. Lack of range and lack of charging stations and the time it takes to charge are, and will be for some time, a huge hurdle that most are not willing to deal with.
-Hybrid cars have never been worth it. For the extra expense, you get a few more miles per gallon. For most, it would take more than 10 years of ownership to just break even.
-Plug in Hybrid, however is a whole 'nuther thing. Doesn't sound like much difference to many who aren't paying much attention, but the ability to go 18 miles and attain highway speeds just on electric without ever starting the engine gives it the good attributes of an all electric car for many of us. But with a seamlessly intigrated conventional engine, it doesn't have the negative issues of a full electric. Range is not an issue. Going on a long road trip? Just fill it up at gas stations along the way like a normal car. It sounds to me like they are making this thing so you can't hardly tell the difference between it and a conventional x35i when you're driving it. The whole point is to make it the best of both worlds, to make it seamless, so when somebody says it won't work for them for long road trips, I just don't understand.
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The OP's first quote applies to the current ActiveHybrid line.

This applies to the new eDrive system:
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The electric motor is capable of delivering an added 94 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque. ... Commuting around town would be easily accomplished using nothing but power from the battery. Acceleration doesn’t really fall off until around 45-50 mph.
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Just remember, the electricity used to charge plug-in hybrids and full electrics comes mostly from burning coal and natural gas. The charging is usually at night when the solar panels are not working.
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Just remember, the electricity used to charge plug-in hybrids and full electrics comes mostly from burning coal and natural gas. The charging is usually at night when the solar panels are not working.
Bingo! That's my only issue with plug in's. You're no longer paying big oil for gas now, you're paying big electric for electricity. Which here in Jax, seems to increase in cost every year.... Soooo... Where is the real win....

People also seem to forget about maintenance. I suspect (i don't know 100%) that the batteries don't have a lifetime warranty. Which means in 7-10years when they deteriorate (like ALL batteries do), they'll need to be replaced. Think a box full of double A's are overpriced??????
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Bingo! That's my only issue with plug in's. You're no longer paying big oil for gas now, you're paying big electric for electricity. Which here in Jax, seems to increase in cost every year.... Soooo... Where is the real win....

People also seem to forget about maintenance. I suspect (i don't know 100%) that the batteries don't have a lifetime warranty. Which means in 7-10years when they deteriorate (like ALL batteries do), they'll need to be replaced. Think a box full of double A's are overpriced??????
Depends on where you live. Here in the Pacific Northwest, electricity comes mostly from hydro, (not that I really care if it came from coal. If I cared about crap like that, I wouldn't be shopping for a large SUV) and electricity prices are lower than anywhere else in the country. And as far as worrying about 7 to 10 years... I would do the same thing whether it was a plugin hybrid or a x50i, trade it in for something else in 3 or 4 years, so that's not an issue for me and anyone else who does that or leases cars.
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Not an x5 driver, but my commute is currently 2.2 miles, if I had one I could charge it at both home and work. Too cool.
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Current battery issues for low daily driving resolved as electric range is low.
For X5e battery, the recharging means no need to buy trickle charger. However, new battery could be expensive after 4 years.
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nice! not sure about 18 mile daily commute but i'll take that
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This should be the plug in hybrid, not a pure electric drive X5. It should also have the N20 engine as well and the tame will be very good on it. Especially compared to the pure electric mode.
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they can get 18 miles from this hybird now but wait im sure that will increase over time and development to get it up to 60+ and more.
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I can't understand why anyone would buy this instead of a Tesla model S or X.
If you want a X5, get one of the regular models. If you want an electric vehicle there are much better alternatives.
Sorry BMW, I would love a big electric car from you with decent range (500+ km at least) bit you have some catching up to do.
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Just remember, the electricity used to charge plug-in hybrids and full electrics comes mostly from burning coal and natural gas. The charging is usually at night when the solar panels are not working.
Even still, electricity generated using gas or coal at a central location in high volume is likely more efficient and cleaner than thousands of individual gas engines pulling cars around town.
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I can't understand why anyone would buy this instead of a Tesla model S or X.
If you want a X5, get one of the regular models. If you want an electric vehicle there are much better alternatives.
Sorry BMW, I would love a big electric car from you with decent range (500+ km at least) bit you have some catching up to do.
I can't understand why anyone would buy an all electric car. From where I live, I could make it about halfway to Boise, Spokane, Portland or Seattle. Halfway. What good does that do me? To me, where I live, an all electric is completely worthless. There isn't a charging station within 250 miles of me that I know of. And even if there was, what am I going to do, stop halfway and spend 6 hours recharging?
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Forgive my stupidity but what is the black and white print vinyl on the front of the car? I see it all the time on test videos and reviews. Just wondering what that's all about.
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Forgive my stupidity but what is the black and white print vinyl on the front of the car? I see it all the time on test videos and reviews. Just wondering what that's all about.
During the latest stages of the design and development process, they have to drive test vehicles around in order to get real world final shakedown tests done. They try to camouflage the final design details of cars that haven't been officially launched yet, otherwise it kind of takes the punch out of their big launch campaigns at car shows or whatever other advertising campaign they have planned. If there was already a million uncamouflaged pictures of a new model out there, the car show launches or press releases that they control wouldn't be able to show you anything you haven't all ready seen.
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Ahh, I see. Thank you for the clarification Mystic!
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I can't understand why anyone would buy an all electric car. From where I live, I could make it about halfway to Boise, Spokane, Portland or Seattle. Halfway. What good does that do me? To me, where I live, an all electric is completely worthless. There isn't a charging station within 250 miles of me that I know of. And even if there was, what am I going to do, stop halfway and spend 6 hours recharging?
That's what I meant by "If you want a X5, get one of the regular models.". The X5 eDrive has no point.

I have no idea about charging stations in Oregon but I think you need to revise your knowledge about electric cars.
Ohh... And there's lots of people living in more populated areas so hopefully you can understand why they would like one...
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