F15 Diesel ABC Delete (EGR / (SCR) / DEF / DPF)-(Hardware+Software) + Stage Tune

[rmacgurn]

Originally Posted by rmacgurn

hello I realize this is an old thread but I am now in stages of planning a tune and some upgrades to my F16 x6 3.0D euro version N57 O01 with M package. its stock at 255hp and 403ft lbs. wanting about 500 plus torque and 315 or more HP. when I bought car it had someones tune but the shifting was jerkey the put a lot of stress on the drivetrain. when I updated to latest ISTEPS it was wiped. car is smooth again but much slower in sport and sport+

First I looked at boxes from race chip and TDI but most see to agree that ECU tune is better and even better an ECU and trans tune.

I see really 3 afforable choices. DUDMD, which requires emission mods to get two stage 2 but its the cheapest.
Next AlienTech which requires the purchase of a Powergate 3 box and some tunes priced per tune. Lastly Ditupa another German firm specializing in Diesel tunes. They use an enet cable and iPad or iPhone to do it so you get the program all the tunes for 3 plus stages and the trans tune in a single purchase but they are over $500. Were l live we have no AlienTech dealers and buying the box used is a risk that its not usable on another car as they sell license per car vin. Ditupa offers tunes with a larger intercooler (Wagner or cheaper equivalent) and/or the emissions stuff with EGR delete and downpipes etc.

anyone on here can tell me their experience with any of these three and what other mods for the tune they made? I was thinking to try to get a group buy on Ditupa t0 get the price down if others interested. EGR code out is pretty easy and swap the intercoolers is a few hours and another $500-700.

please tell me your thoughts.

thanks
Richard

Since no one chimed in on Diesel Tunes or numbers I forged ahead and must say I am very happy, I used the German DIPTUA program and did stage 2+ with trans tune and EGR delete. I was thinking about the rest you all seem to delete but as we have emissions in checks in CR via ODB2 I am not sure If I would past doing those changes? anyone know.

I did intercooler upgrade to Wagner and some flash tuning after not seeing a lot of difference in last E71 tune box for 3.0D. Anyway I don't know what software you all use to check times to speed and power but I can tell you seat of pants my car flys now. really loving the new features also. here's a quick run down on what I got as I am at stage 2plus. also was just one price for tunes stage 1-2+ and also tranny tune.

I didn't try stage one as I had already installed the intercooler before doing the tune so I want for it. love seeing the gear display in center console regardless of drive mode. also being able to reverse with door open is very handy without car go to park. lots of other changes but not sure I use or think about them. the trans is noticeable smoother now also. I liked that I could use my iPhone to do the tunes or revert back to stock and that I can still pass emissions. Lastly it's a great idea that you can't use the full power of the tunes prior to engine warming up. Several others I looked at don't seem to do that.

according the company DITUPA I got the tune from in Germany these are the features of their program included for the one price:

stage 1
stage 1+ with EGR optimization
stage 2 for cars with upgraded intercooler
stage 2+ with EGR optimization
8HP gearbox tune stage 1
full DTC module for scanning the whole car

The stage 1+ and 2+ are working without the DITUPA EGR blanking plate, through flashing our tuning stage will eliminate the intake runners to be sooted.

All tuning stages include the VMAX high speed limit delete, so no speed restriction.
All tuning stages do offer STOCK power figures in ECO mode.
All tuning stages are using the Bosch physics model which has been extrapolated so the torque and power values on the CAN bus match the actual numbers.
-> this means no extended wear on clutches of the gearbox, no sluggish and unpredictable driving behavior, no wrong DSC intervention due to wrong CAN signals.
All tuning stages have the factory temperature and pressure limiters active. We even added an additional for EGT protection.
All tuning stages deliver stock power till the engine is warmed to 70°C / 158°F
All tuning stages automatically reduce engine power when fuel temperature reaches 68°C / 155°F
All tuning stages automatically reduce engine power when EGT post turbo reach 665°C / 1230°C

Using the plus stages the DPF regeneration will be fully functional and the DPF also will last longer as it has to trap less soot.


The 8HP gearbox tuning stage 1 is developed by DITUPA and adds the following features:
permanent gear display
raised torque limiters for best performance (necessary on 2 liter cars and 30d/35d/40d/50d)
raised clutch pressured for long clutch lifespan
no more switching to P when door is opened

In short the performance is super, I peg the HP indicator very quickly so not sure of the actual amount and there is no dyno near me. that is why I asked what programs I can use to get some stats as to acual improvements. All in all if you have a diesel N57 motor this tune seems to be ideal for you. I have no issues after a few months of use. I think price is far anyway for what you get...
Richard

[compsyndrome]

Originally Posted by rmacgurn

Since no one chimed in on Diesel Tunes or numbers I forged ahead and must say I am very happy, I used the German DIPTUA program and did stage 2+ with trans tune and EGR delete. I was thinking about the rest you all seem to delete but as we have emissions in checks in CR via ODB2 I am not sure If I would past doing those changes? anyone know.

I did intercooler upgrade to Wagner and some flash tuning after not seeing a lot of difference in last E71 tune box for 3.0D. Anyway I don't know what software you all use to check times to speed and power but I can tell you seat of pants my car flys now. really loving the new features also. here's a quick run down on what I got as I am at stage 2plus. also was just one price for tunes stage 1-2+ and also tranny tune.

I didn't try stage one as I had already installed the intercooler before doing the tune so I want for it. love seeing the gear display in center console regardless of drive mode. also being able to reverse with door open is very handy without car go to park. lots of other changes but not sure I use or think about them. the trans is noticeable smoother now also. I liked that I could use my iPhone to do the tunes or revert back to stock and that I can still pass emissions. Lastly it's a great idea that you can't use the full power of the tunes prior to engine warming up. Several others I looked at don't seem to do that.

according the company DITUPA I got the tune from in Germany these are the features of their program included for the one price:

stage 1
stage 1+ with EGR optimization
stage 2 for cars with upgraded intercooler
stage 2+ with EGR optimization
8HP gearbox tune stage 1
full DTC module for scanning the whole car

The stage 1+ and 2+ are working without the DITUPA EGR blanking plate, through flashing our tuning stage will eliminate the intake runners to be sooted.

All tuning stages include the VMAX high speed limit delete, so no speed restriction.
All tuning stages do offer STOCK power figures in ECO mode.
All tuning stages are using the Bosch physics model which has been extrapolated so the torque and power values on the CAN bus match the actual numbers.
-> this means no extended wear on clutches of the gearbox, no sluggish and unpredictable driving behavior, no wrong DSC intervention due to wrong CAN signals.
All tuning stages have the factory temperature and pressure limiters active. We even added an additional for EGT protection.
All tuning stages deliver stock power till the engine is warmed to 70°C / 158°F
All tuning stages automatically reduce engine power when fuel temperature reaches 68°C / 155°F
All tuning stages automatically reduce engine power when EGT post turbo reach 665°C / 1230°C

Using the plus stages the DPF regeneration will be fully functional and the DPF also will last longer as it has to trap less soot.


The 8HP gearbox tuning stage 1 is developed by DITUPA and adds the following features:
permanent gear display
raised torque limiters for best performance (necessary on 2 liter cars and 30d/35d/40d/50d)
raised clutch pressured for long clutch lifespan
no more switching to P when door is opened

In short the performance is super, I peg the HP indicator very quickly so not sure of the actual amount and there is no dyno near me. that is why I asked what programs I can use to get some stats as to acual improvements. All in all if you have a diesel N57 motor this tune seems to be ideal for you. I have no issues after a few months of use. I think price is far anyway for what you get...
Richard

What flashing tool did you use?
DO you know what their EGR "optimization" is about?

[rmacgurn]

Originally Posted by compsyndrome

What flashing tool did you use?
DO you know what their EGR "optimization" is about?

They use iPhone app to do the flashing. The EGR is just disabled. Mine been fine all this time.

[bcromwell]

Originally Posted by Googone20

For the coolant plugs, I ordered the follow:
2 x 11531436850
1 x 11531439134
1 x 17128515062
If memory serves me right, one of these plugs was extra and not used. When I get home today I’ll update with the proper info on that.

For the rear coolant line at the back of the block, I cut the two metal lines off of the housing plug. Then I had a local welder aluminum the plug solid. He did an amazing job and the price was free to me. Here are some pictures of what I did.

Just FYI, Found out there is another method that I hadn't seen posted anywhere. Turns out inside of where this connection is made it's threaded. (My delete kit came with a small bolt and crush washer that I couldn't figure out what it's propose was initially)

[Slickum01]

Originally Posted by bcromwell

Just FYI, Found out there is another method that I hadn't seen posted anywhere. Turns out inside of where this connection is made it's threaded. (My delete kit came with a small bolt and crush washer that I couldn't figure out what it's propose was initially)

Which brand/supplier did you use for the kit?

[bcromwell]

Originally Posted by Slickum01

Which brand/supplier did you use for the kit?

The one from bimmertune:

https://bimmertune.com/bmw-535d-x5-egr-scr-delete-kit-n57

[edmir]

Hello all I’m planning on doing a delete on my f15 x5 35d I already bought the rawtek pipes and I purchased Malone stage 2 tune with the abc delete add on. Now I just need some clarifications on a couple things.

1. Is stage 2 Malone safe for the car at 170k miles?

2. Do I have to remove the egr and egr cooler when the tune already disables those parts and open the swirl flaps?

3. If I do have to delete it what components do I need I know bimmertune has the kit but do I have to buy anything additional for the manifold?

Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by edmir

I already bought the rawtek pipes

I was eyeing those too, did you do just the base pipe or cat and/or res?

[edmir]

Just the base pipe no cats. I feel like if you buy pipes with cats in it eventually the soot would clog that too so just to be safe I opted in for the straight pipe.

[edmir]

[QUOTE=bcromwell;31026357]Just FYI, Found out there is another method that I hadn't seen posted anywhere. Turns out inside of where this connection is made it's threaded. (My delete kit came with a small bolt and crush washer that I couldn't figure out what it's propose was initially)

Where is this located exactly?

[LateParty2018X535d]

Hello everyone, I have been researching this for a while to do and have gathered the following information related to sound:

I like the deeper more diesel sound, but don’t Want to max it out to the point where this hissing sound shows up.

The hissing sound seems to be the result of straight piping / deleting the exhaust as well.

Keeping the stock exhaust and adding the high flow catalytic converter seems to be the best way to go IMO and produces the best sound, and least amount of smell with reliable results based on anecdotes as much as 20,000 to 30,000 miles problem free.

In conclusion, I think the way to go is Rawtek delete kit with high flow cat (SKIP the added resonator) and keep stock exhaust. Tunezilla (was Malone) Stage 1 (or 2) tune.

Most report Stage 2 tune, however because Stage 1 has huge power gains, and longevity is a priority I am thinking it is wise to not push my luck and go with Stage 1 but most videos/anecdotes use Stage 2 so either is probably fine. Opinions Please.

I realize these videos have been posted before but summarizing here:

After reading up here and in the comments of these videos with responses from each OP I have gathered this info.

1. Gray X5 full delete, exhaust delete, straight pipe. Assuming no Cat. HAS hissing sound I don’t like and think I am avoiding by doing the above. Stage 2. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkAhyRV2hg

2. White X5 Ebay exhaust, can’t tell if he deleted exhaust and straight piped? But he does report hissing sound. He added the cat after the fact and reports 30k miles total no issues in comments a year ago, and 30% reduction in odor with cat. A bit non standard because tune was custom and ebay exhaust.

Best sound I am hoping for, no hissing:

3. White X5 Florida. This sounds great. He used Buzzken pipe kit. Kept stock exhaust and added the Cat. Sounds excellent, looks like way to go. I think he commented he went with JR Auto Tune, assuming stage 2.

4. White X5 Canada (Nelson’s above). Also sounds excellent. He reports doing the cat and Malone Stage 2. Doesn’t know the kit name from shop that did it. Has stock exhaust and does not sound like 1 above with hissing sound. Also reccomends aircraft cleaner for diesel soot buildup.

By far my favorite, hopefully mine turns out like this but who knows! Its Canada eh.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7H8DwS...ature=youtu.be

Unfortunately not many examples with most available kits today IMO (Rawtek and Tunezilla/Malone) but setups are similar.

I think I’ll be happy with Stage 1, add cat, no resonator, keep stock exhaust.

Thoughts? Cheers

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by edmir

Just the base pipe no cats. I feel like if you buy pipes with cats in it eventually the soot would clog that too so just to be safe I opted in for the straight pipe.

Gotcha, I went for all the options (cat + res) since i dont want to be obnoxiously loud or smelly lol. Should have it all done by the end of today

[LateParty2018X535d]

Originally Posted by Xolinlevh

Gotcha, I went for all the options (cat + res) since i dont want to be obnoxiously loud or smelly lol. Should have it all done by the end of today

Looking forward to the exhaust video clips!
Should be very interesting if you are doing BOTH a cat AND resonator… plus with stock exhaust I assume?

What tune brand, and stage did you decide on?

What brand pipe kit did you go with?

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by LateParty2018X535d

Looking forward to the exhaust video clips!
Should be very interesting if you are doing BOTH a cat AND resonator… plus with stock exhaust I assume?

What tune brand, and stage did you decide on?

What brand pipe kit did you go with?

I did the rawtek kit (FYI if you email them they can give you a discount, saved me a decent chunk!), a custom tune by santjer performance, and an ERG delete kit from here.

While its under the knife im also having my Stealth Hitch installed, and a brake fluid service done. Looks like they found a slight leak in my valve cover and would recommend eventually a new AC compressor, but neither of those are a big deal at the moment

[LateParty2018X535d]

Originally Posted by Xolinlevh

I did the rawtek kit (FYI if you email them they can give you a discount, saved me a decent chunk!), a custom tune by santjer performance, and an ERG delete kit from here.

While its under the knife im also having my Stealth Hitch installed, and a brake fluid service done. Looks like they found a slight leak in my valve cover and would recommend eventually a new AC compressor, but neither of those are a big deal at the moment

Awesome good to know, thanks for following up.

I was able to schedule a phone call with rawtek earlier and they were great to talk to. Told my local shop they would give a discount so they offered one instead, plus probably helps them out a bit so going with that - saved $112 on the kit that way.

Good to see another EGR blanks kit, looks like we are going with Darkside Developments US spec kit.

Great to see another tune outfit, they look great. Will keep in mind. I asked Tunezilla when next sale was and they offered a coupon also.

Overall job is supposed to cost approx. $3950 with shop labor around $1,100 plus $150 to install tune. Sounds good if it happens that way!

Looking forward to exhaust clips with resonator and cat! Best of luck

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by LateParty2018X535d

Awesome good to know, thanks for following up.

I was able to schedule a phone call with rawtek earlier and they were great to talk to. Told my local shop they would give a discount so they offered one instead, plus probably helps them out a bit so going with that - saved $112 on the kit that way.

Good to see another EGR blanks kit, looks like we are going with Darkside Developments US spec kit.

Great to see another tune outfit, they look great. Will keep in mind. I asked Tunezilla when next sale was and they offered a coupon also.

Overall job is supposed to cost approx. $3950 with shop labor around $1,100 plus $150 to install tune. Sounds good if it happens that way!

Looking forward to exhaust clips with resonator and cat! Best of luck

Thanks! I'm really looking forward to picking it up this afternoon lol.

[JupiterBMW]

Sorry I don't frequent this forum enough, but I've recently completed the full delete. I went with the catted/resonated Rawtek downpipe, and I went with the Tunezilla Stg 2 tune. I too didn't want too much added noise, smoke, or smell. I'm happy with the result. In fact, if anything, I couldn't dealt with a little MORE noise! But no complaints. I do hear the turbo a little more inside the cabin, but if you aren't really listening for it, you'd never know. I did the full delete myself and ensured I reinstalled all of the factory insulation, and again, its barely noticeable inside the vehicle. Now, there is some smell outside if you walk around the vehicle or back out of the garage/driveway with the windows down, but otherwise, that is it. VERY pleased.

For those of you planning to DIY, feel free to reach out. I got a TON of help from a member on here and I'm absolutely down to pay it forward. Its a very daunting DIY job as there is SO much to do but once you get into it, its really not that bad.

Good luck!

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by JupiterBMW

. In fact, if anything, I couldn't dealt with a little MORE noise! But no complaints. I do hear the turbo a little more inside the cabin, but if you aren't really listening for it, you'd never know.

Would you say it’s more or less noisy with the cat+res? More but just slightly?

[JupiterBMW]

Originally Posted by Xolinlevh

Would you say it’s more or less noisy with the cat+res? More but just slightly?

Than factory? I suppose a touch more. The simple fact that there’s less restriction, there has to be more noise. Is it more noticeable? Barely if at all.

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by LateParty2018X535d

Awesome good to know, thanks for following up.

I was able to schedule a phone call with rawtek earlier and they were great to talk to. Told my local shop they would give a discount so they offered one instead, plus probably helps them out a bit so going with that - saved $112 on the kit that way.

Good to see another EGR blanks kit, looks like we are going with Darkside Developments US spec kit.

Great to see another tune outfit, they look great. Will keep in mind. I asked Tunezilla when next sale was and they offered a coupon also.

Overall job is supposed to cost approx. $3950 with shop labor around $1,100 plus $150 to install tune. Sounds good if it happens that way!

Looking forward to exhaust clips with resonator and cat! Best of luck

Got it back yesterday, I like it a lot! Its not as loud as i expected, I could stand for it to be a BIT louder but...overall its still very inconspicuous. Did a few errands and a costco run in it, handles much smoother now on the freeway.

Sadly....after unloading the groceries, i drove over a rock which managed to slice my wheel and tire FFs this is why i cant have nice things, not even 24 hours with it and now i gotta replace a tire lol

[Xolinlevh]

Originally Posted by Xolinlevh

Sadly....after unloading the groceries, i drove over a rock which managed to slice my wheel and tire FFs this is why i cant have nice things, not even 24 hours with it and now i gotta replace a tire lol

lol. Went back out a few hours later to check the tire's pressure loss....and was amazed to see ANOTHER tire at 20PSI, i got a nail in a 2nd tire at the same time.....2 tires in 1 day. new personal best!

[LateParty2018X535d]

Originally Posted by Xolinlevh

lol. Went back out a few hours later to check the tire's pressure loss....and was amazed to see ANOTHER tire at 20PSI, i got a nail in a 2nd tire at the same time.....2 tires in 1 day. new personal best!

Hey, go big or go home! I’d guess the nail happened earlier and just slow leak. I got a solid nail hooked in my Pirelli Scorpion Verde Run Flats last week. Have been prepping for a long road trip and buying tire repair kits, jacks, sockets, wheel hangers etc to prep and well I got my wish early to test out all the gear!

Pics of the nail and repair job. Kit comes with some cheap looking rubber cement, but I prefer to use JB Weld RTV Silicone Gasket Maker Seal (rated to 500 degrees and seems compatible with rubber/petroleum products). Seems to work really good. But I am just a layman so try at your OWN RISK. Post repair, can’t tell if I am losing any PSI, seems like 1 PSI loss per week MAX maybe per month. Holding up nicely IMO.

https://a.co/d/0gxaNrjT

Good opportunity to get a set of all fresh tires post tune. Mine have another 25k miles on em but planning to keep until post tune, then for winter getting all new tires.

Pirelli Scorpion Weatheractives (not RF) is 90% the plan. Ratings are quite phenomenal, newish category of “All Weather Tires”, scores above 9.1 for WET, DRY AND SNOW Traction 3 peak rated. Sounds stellar. We’ll see. Priced a set on Tire Rack for $1,200 then called discount tire and asked em to price match WITH road hazards warranties and they are in lol, saved $200. So that’s the plan. Curious of anyone’s opinion on those Weatheractives.