TPS is built in????

50iXman · 12-04-2023, 09:31 AM

WTF I am still learning about this beautiful machine.

Shop called me to refund me $300+ as I asked for new sensors with my winter tires. They said you dont need them, and refunded me,

I cant believe I didnt know this.

The shop has certainly advanced in my eyes!

shimmy23 · 12-04-2023, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 50iXman

WTF I am still learning about this beautiful machine.

Shop called me to refund me $300+ as I asked for new sensors with my winter tires. They said you dont need them, and refunded me,

I cant believe I didnt know this.

The shop has certainly advanced in my eyes!

$300 is a bit high regardless. TPMS last between 5-8 years depending on conditions. If you didn't need them replaced, no need to charge you. They aren't "built in." Theyre just like any other TPS with a battery that can go bad or wear out over time.

50iXman · 12-04-2023, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy23

$300 is a bit high regardless. TPMS last between 5-8 years depending on conditions. If you didn't need them replaced, no need to charge you. They aren't "built in." Theyre just like any other TPS with a battery that can go bad or wear out over time.

It was $240 plus tax, Canadian.

I thought though that the TPS was built into each rim - and if you change rims you lose your TPS, I know thats how other brands work.,

50iXman · 12-04-2023, 09:50 AM

OMG just realized the shop likely moved the TPMS from my all season tires/rims to my winters.

blue dragon · 12-04-2023, 10:00 AM

He's in Canada, Canadian spec cars use FTM (differential rotational speed monitored by abs sensor). There are no TPMS sensors in the wheels on Canadian spec cars. US spec cars use the TPMS sensors in the wheels. You can thank Ford/Firestone for that

50iXman · 12-04-2023, 10:09 AM

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He's in Canada, Canadian spec cars use FTM (differential rotational speed monitored by abs sensor). There are no TPMS sensors in the wheels on Canadian spec cars. US spec cars use the TPMS sensors in the wheels. You can thank Ford/Firestone for that

OMG didnt know this! Blue dragon, which is better do you feel?

blue dragon · 12-04-2023, 10:21 AM

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OMG didnt know this! Blue dragon, which is better do you feel?

TPMS sensors react quicker and the system can be coded to show tire temperature as well. If you buy the TPMS sensors, the antenna (receiver) is already built into the DSC module, so you can code TPMS rather than FTM to the cars CO (vehicle order) and get the functionality the US cars have

Qsilver7 · 12-04-2023, 03:08 PM

Ditto blue dragon. You can tell which system you have by the words on the iDrive screen.

If you have the FTM system (flat tyre monitor)...that's what it will say on your screen. Loss of tire pressure is determined by wheel rotation with your ABS wheel sensors facilitating the function of this system:

If you have the TPM system, then that's what your screen will say...this system uses the sensor in the wheel to determine the loss of pressure...but it also sends temp data, too...which can be displayed on the screen:

tfunk88 · 12-05-2023, 11:07 AM

How do you get it to show temp?

unluky · 12-05-2023, 11:22 AM

I'm in the USA and my Audi uses the rotation method too. My X5 has the TPMS and shows the pressure and temp per tire above. Pro's and Con's of both I suppose.

Qsilver7 · 12-05-2023, 04:47 PM

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How do you get it to show temp?

If you have the TPM system…and it doesn’t show temp & PSI…then you’ll need to activate the coding. Its simple as apple pie if you have coding software like Bimmercode:

tfunk88 · 12-05-2023, 05:13 PM

Sweet, thanks! Mine displays pressure but will add temp with BimmerCode! Much appreciated!

Qsilver7 · 12-05-2023, 05:53 PM

tfunk88 · 12-05-2023, 07:07 PM

Done, thanks!

Tomcat_F15_STL · 12-05-2023, 08:18 PM

my E70 uses tire rotation to sense a flat, as well. No sensors in the wheel - less cost, works fine.

blue dragon · 12-06-2023, 07:32 AM

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my E70 uses tire rotation to sense a flat, as well. No sensors in the wheel - less cost, works fine.

Wierd, because my e70 was MY '09 and a california car and it had TPMS

Qsilver7 · 12-06-2023, 09:19 AM

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Wierd, because my e70 was MY '09 and a california car and it had TPMS

BMW has been using these two different systems for a while. You can see in the chart below that the e46/e90/e39/e60/e61/e63/e65/e65/e66/e53/e83/e52/e85 models had the indirect FTM/RPA system (wheel rotation) and/or the direct TPM/RDC system (sensors inside the wheel). They could be standard or optional:

tfunk88 · 12-06-2023, 09:53 AM

Aww man…when I coded to show tire temp it reset all my radio settings back to stock 🤦&zwj;♂️ I was thinking something went wrong with my radio overnight on my commute in this morning lol

Qsilver7 · 12-06-2023, 02:23 PM

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Aww man…when I coded to show tire temp it reset all my radio settings back to stock 🤦&zwj;♂️ I was thinking something went wrong with my radio overnight on my commute in this morning lol

Yep! Forgot to warn...if you code something new to the HU...you will lose some settings you have stored.

Which is the reason I don't code the seasonal greetings...the Merry Xmas start up screen isn't worth re-doing all the 1-8 programmable buttons etc.

Tomcat_F15_STL · 12-06-2023, 08:12 PM

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Wierd, because my e70 was MY '09 and a california car and it had TPMS

That's a shame. My E70 is a 2013.

Maverik259 · 12-15-2023, 01:40 AM

Had the rotational detection in my C55 AMG. It worked sure but much rather know what my actual pressures are. Especially as they change drastically from Summer to winter with the temp change. Also helps know when my tires are warm enough to trust them when I pusher them. Haha

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12-04-2023, 09:50 AM	#4
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blue dragon Lieutenant Colonel 1192 Rep 1,544 Posts Drives: '22 Tesla MY + '23 Tesla MY Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Land of high taxes and crappy healthcare iTrader: (2)	He's in Canada, Canadian spec cars use FTM (differential rotational speed monitored by abs sensor). There are no TPMS sensors in the wheels on Canadian spec cars. US spec cars use the TPMS sensors in the wheels. You can thank Ford/Firestone for that __________________ \| '22 Tesla Model Y P - My daily \| '23 Tesla Model Y LR - Wife's daily \| '17 F15 35D - missed daily \|
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12-04-2023, 03:08 PM	#8
Qsilver7 Major General 4442 Rep 7,484 Posts Drives: F06 650ix GC / F15 X5 50i Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Indiana, USA iTrader: (0)	Ditto blue dragon. You can tell which system you have by the words on the iDrive screen. If you have the FTM system (flat tyre monitor)...that's what it will say on your screen. Loss of tire pressure is determined by wheel rotation with your ABS wheel sensors facilitating the function of this system: If you have the TPM system, then that's what your screen will say...this system uses the sensor in the wheel to determine the loss of pressure...but it also sends temp data, too...which can be displayed on the screen: __________________ 2015 F06 650ix Gran Coupe`(Moonstone/Cohiba Brown)\| 2014 F15 X5 50i MSport (Space Gray/Mocha) Become a BMW CCA member! Click HERE to join and feel free to use my BMW CCA member #191509 as a referral.
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12-05-2023, 11:07 AM	#9
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unluky Major 7528 Rep 1,247 Posts Drives: 04 z4 3.0 Sport & 15 X5 35i XD Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Sedalia, MO iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW X5 XDrive 35i [0.50] 2004 BMW Z4 3.0 Spo ... [0.00]	I'm in the USA and my Audi uses the rotation method too. My X5 has the TPMS and shows the pressure and temp per tire above. Pro's and Con's of both I suppose. __________________ 2015 X5 XDrive 35i - 2004 Z4 3.0 Sport
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12-05-2023, 05:13 PM	#12
tfunk88 Lieutenant 192 Rep 480 Posts Drives: F15 X5 50i Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: WV iTrader: (0)	Sweet, thanks! Mine displays pressure but will add temp with BimmerCode! Much appreciated!
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tfunk88 Lieutenant 192 Rep 480 Posts Drives: F15 X5 50i Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: WV iTrader: (0)	Done, thanks!
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12-05-2023, 08:18 PM	#15
Tomcat_F15_STL First Lieutenant 150 Rep 349 Posts Drives: BMW F15 Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: St. Louis iTrader: (0)	my E70 uses tire rotation to sense a flat, as well. No sensors in the wheel - less cost, works fine.
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tfunk88 Lieutenant 192 Rep 480 Posts Drives: F15 X5 50i Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: WV iTrader: (0)	Aww man…when I coded to show tire temp it reset all my radio settings back to stock 🤦&zwj;♂️ I was thinking something went wrong with my radio overnight on my commute in this morning lol
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