Changes on 2017 X5 model?

[BMWMN1971]

I currently have a leased 2014 X5 M Sport and my leasing ends in November this year. I know it is still early (well BMW already sent me a reminder that my leasing in ending) but I want to start looking for my next lease. I've been with BMW for over 10 years but I don't want to get the same exact car I have now just to see the model be completed changed in 1 year. Thus, I have been searching online but could not find much about the 2017 model and how much difference it will be from the current model. Will that be a mid cycle refresh or that only happens in the 2018 model? Any thoughts? Tks!!!

[Kzang]

You could extend your lease until the LCI is released.

[roadkillrob]

I don't know about LCI, have not seen anything either, but here is what you will loose in 2017.

BMW for 2017 model year is changing maintenance and warranty, so for the 2017 model year vehicles, the warranty will be reduced to 3year/36k miles and maintenance will no longer include brake pads or rotors, wiper blades, engine belts and clutches.

You might want to consider what you loose going to a 2017 whether it has any changes or not vs a 2016.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/01/07/st...d-maintenance/

[DeltaFX1942]

Not sure your feelings about this, but losing 1 year of warranty is a big deal. If it was Lexus it wouldn't matter that much but BMW's reliability "issues" means I would much prefer 4 year warranty vs 3!

[roadkillrob]

I typically do a 3 yr 45k mile lease, so 9k miles no warranty scares me a bit!

[athanyel]

This is the big debate for me right now. I've spec'd out my X5 but I would like to know if 2017 is going to have any substantial changes.

Giving up a year of warranty is a pretty big detractor...but if they throw in an update that really turns my head (6WB in the US, new iDrive, etc.) then extending the warranty later would end up being cheaper than a new X5.

I figure the likelihood is low that there will be any changes that would push me to waiting for a 2017...but if anyone's got any history or anecdotes to share on when BMW tends to announce changes for the next model year, I'd really appreciate it.

[patrobX5]

There's still no 6WB gauges in 2016's in US?

[Kzang]

Not directing this message at anyone particular but It's interesting how lot of BMW fanboys support BMW's reliability on this forum ( not just here in the X5/X6 forums ) yet, so many others are worried about warranty issues

[MichiganMike]

Originally Posted by DeltaFX1942

Not sure your feelings about this, but losing 1 year of warranty is a big deal. If it was Lexus it wouldn't matter that much but BMW's reliability "issues" means I would much prefer 4 year warranty vs 3!

My understanding is that the warranty on a 2017 BMW will continue at 4 years. It is only the maintenance program that has been modified and reduced to 3 years with additional exclusions.

[bluenote98]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

I don't know about LCI, have not seen anything either, but here is what you will loose in 2017.

BMW for 2017 model year is changing maintenance and warranty, so for the 2017 model year vehicles, the warranty will be reduced to 3year/36k miles and maintenance will no longer include brake pads or rotors, wiper blades, engine belts and clutches.

You might want to consider what you loose going to a 2017 whether it has any changes or not vs a 2016.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/01/07/st...d-maintenance/

The warranty is not getting reduced. Only the scheduled maintenance is getting reduced to 3/36 and no longer includes, brakes, wipers, belts and clutches. A reduction of the actual warranty would be unprecedented. All luxury car brands have essentially the same 4yr/50K bumper to bumper warranties.

[BMWMN1971]

Let me clarify my situation here. On November 2016 my current lease ends. Thus, I have to either lease a new car, buy a new/used car or extend the current lease I have. This is my wife's car and the 4th BMW X5 we lease in the last 10 years. We always get a 36 months lease with 12,000 miles per year. That is the ideal scenario based on her driving needs. I never discussed about extending the lease so I will check that out. I definitely do not want to get the last year of an older model to then with 2 plus years still in the leasing term see BMW launch a new or refreshed model.

As for the warranty/maintenance. I am not up to date on any changes but I am pretty sure that by US law car manufacturers have to offer a minimum of 4 years of warranty or 50,000 miles whichever comes first. Thus, not sure where this rumor that BMW is reducing warranty to 3 years came from. In the current leasing car all I did in the first 25,000 miles was to get an oil change. I never had any issues with the car. Although it sucks if they reduce their maintenance program for a 36 month lease that won't affect me at all.

Thus, I need to do more research to understand if BMW will have a refresh in the X5 line for the 2017 model (which in the US usually launches by November 2016) or if that will happen only for the 2018 model. I am a loyal BMW customer as I said above but want to make sure I don't get an old model for another 3 years. Will have to take a look on Mercedes, Audi and Porsche but usually their leasing terms are terrible.

[DeltaFX1942]

Originally Posted by MichiganMike

My understanding is that the warranty on a 2017 BMW will continue at 4 years. It is only the maintenance program that has been modified and reduced to 3 years with additional exclusions.

I didn't know the warranty was reduced until roadkillrob mentioned it above.

Originally Posted by BMWMN1971

As for the warranty/maintenance. I am not up to date on any changes but I am pretty sure that by US law car manufacturers have to offer a minimum of 4 years of warranty or 50,000 miles whichever comes first.

Not all manufacturers offer 4-years. VW only offers 3-years for new cars and I think Honda also only does 3 (bumper-to-bumper). Rust (usually 10-12 years) and drivetrain (some 5, some more) have separate lengths.

[Kzang]

Originally Posted by BMWMN1971

Let me clarify my situation here. On November 2016 my current lease ends. Thus, I have to either lease a new car, buy a new/used car or extend the current lease I have. This is my wife's car and the 4th BMW X5 we lease in the last 10 years. We always get a 36 months lease with 12,000 miles per year. That is the ideal scenario based on her driving needs. I never discussed about extending the lease so I will check that out. I definitely do not want to get the last year of an older model to then with 2 plus years still in the leasing term see BMW launch a new or refreshed model.

As for the warranty/maintenance. I am not up to date on any changes but I am pretty sure that by US law car manufacturers have to offer a minimum of 4 years of warranty or 50,000 miles whichever comes first. Thus, not sure where this rumor that BMW is reducing warranty to 3 years came from. In the current leasing car all I did in the first 25,000 miles was to get an oil change. I never had any issues with the car. Although it sucks if they reduce their maintenance program for a 36 month lease that won't affect me at all.

Thus, I need to do more research to understand if BMW will have a refresh in the X5 line for the 2017 model (which in the US usually launches by November 2016) or if that will happen only for the 2018 model. I am a loyal BMW customer as I said above but want to make sure I don't get an old model for another 3 years. Will have to take a look on Mercedes, Audi and Porsche but usually their leasing terms are terrible.

Unless you or your wife is really REALLY anal about being in the latest/greatest and as long as you are continuing to lease, getting the last year model is not a bad thing.. 3 years goes by quick and typically with a new design ( not a refresh ) the car is plagued with problems anyway. The beauty about leasing, at least for me is the options are endless... I would explore different car manufactures to see what kind of experience the car can offer for the next 3 years

[jzmundy]

The warranty is unchanged, folks. Only the maintenance plan.

[BMWMN1971]

Yes, I would be pissed to get a car and couple months later they release a new model. Even if it is a lease. I got one of the last cars with the yellow angel lights because my SA told it would take another year for those change to LED. Two months later BMW released the LED lights and I was pissed every time I remembered mine were yellow. Yes, it is BS but I don't like to lease an older model if I can get the newest one. As for problems on the new ones, I really don't care since it is a lease and covered under warranty.

What really brings me back to BMW all the time is that their leasing offers are unbeatable. I tried to lease Cayenne, MB, Range Rover, etc.. all in the same price range but when it came to numbers there was no way I could justify not getting a BMW. I currently own a brand new Macan and it is clear for me that Porsche for example is car that you should never lease.

Originally Posted by Kzang

Unless you or your wife is really REALLY anal about being in the latest/greatest and as long as you are continuing to lease, getting the last year model is not a bad thing.. 3 years goes by quick and typically with a new design ( not a refresh ) the car is plagued with problems anyway. The beauty about leasing, at least for me is the options are endless... I would explore different car manufactures to see what kind of experience the car can offer for the next 3 years

[MichiganMike]

Originally Posted by DeltaFX1942

I didn't know the warranty was reduced until roadkillrob mentioned it above.

The bulletin sent to dealers discusses changes in the No Cost Maintenance program. There is no reference to any change in the BMW new car warranty. The warranty and maintenance programs from BMW each have their own terms and duration. There has been extensive discussion in other threads and forums in an effort to clarify the announced changes are limited to the no cost maintenance program.

[athanyel]

Originally Posted by patrobX5

There's still no 6WB gauges in 2016's in US?

Nope. A number of folks on the forums have installed the gauges themselves but there's no factory option for them.

Originally Posted by jzmundy

The warranty is unchanged, folks. Only the maintenance plan.

Originally Posted by MichiganMike

My understanding is that the warranty on a 2017 BMW will continue at 4 years. It is only the maintenance program that has been modified and reduced to 3 years with additional exclusions.

Originally Posted by bluenote98

The warranty is not getting reduced. Only the scheduled maintenance is getting reduced to 3/36 and no longer includes, brakes, wipers, belts and clutches. A reduction of the actual warranty would be unprecedented. All luxury car brands have essentially the same 4yr/50K bumper to bumper warranties.

Thanks for the clarification everyone. That makes waiting a much less daunting proposition.

Getting back (somewhat) to the original poster's question: anyone have an idea when we should hear about any changes for 2017?

[roadkillrob]

Originally Posted by MichiganMike

The bulletin sent to dealers discusses changes in the No Cost Maintenance program. There is no reference to any change in the BMW new car warranty. The warranty and maintenance programs from BMW each have their own terms and duration. There has been extensive discussion in other threads and forums in an effort to clarify the announced changes are limited to the no cost maintenance program.

I stand corrected and read it wrong, warranty still 4/50 maint 3/36 with no brakes and wipers.

So basically you get mostly oil changes for 3/36 starting in 2017 while warranty goes to 4/50

[AEC]

Generally speaking, BMW models usually run for 7-8 years with a facelift (LCI) about 4 years into the model run. Using the previous X5 (E70) as an example, the vehicle was released in November 2006 with a refresh coming for the 2011 model year. If things go similarly, we can expect the F15 LCI for the 2018 model year in mid to late 2017.

It may not be possible for the OP to extend the lease long enough to get the refreshed model. I think BMW allows up to 6 months, but I'm not sure about that.

[Kzang]

Originally Posted by AEC

Generally speaking, BMW models usually run for 7-8 years with a facelift (LCI) about 4 years into the model run. Using the previous X5 (E70) as an example, the vehicle was released in November 2006 with a refresh coming for the 2011 model year. If things go similarly, we can expect the F15 LCI for the 2018 model year in mid to late 2017.

It may not be possible for the OP to extend the lease long enough to get the refreshed model. I think BMW allows up to 6 months, but I'm not sure about that.

One thing to note is on the last model year 2013 they changed the angel eyes aka halos from yellow to LED white.

[AEC]

Originally Posted by Kzang

One thing to note is on the last model year 2013 they changed the angel eyes aka halos from yellow to LED white.

It's not uncommon for BMW to make small changes like that for each new model year. I was referring to the LCI where we can expect many changes, like freshened front and rear styling, new color choices, and updated engines.

[BMWMN1971]

That is the one I was really pissed. I got the yellow lights and they changed that couple months later.

Originally Posted by Kzang

One thing to note is on the last model year 2013 they changed the angel eyes aka halos from yellow to LED white.