Diesel is the new hybrid

Rene_Fonck · 02-11-2016, 04:36 PM

US$2/gallon for diesel here in Washington State and I'm getting an average of 37mpg on a 170 mile drive. This pic is my drive from Portland to Seattle this morning in my 2014 X5d with just over 30k miles on the odometer, driving 100% in Comfort Mode (not Eco!). Why buy a plug-in hybrid? I wonder what MPG my alter ego (WWI French fighter ace) got in his SPAD S.VII biplane.

Jimmie48 · 02-11-2016, 04:52 PM

I totally agree I am averaging well in the 30's on the freeway from my frequent trips from Dallas to Houston...almost 300 miles each way...

Line Drive · 02-12-2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rene_Fonck

Why buy a plug-in hybrid?

Sure, if you're driving regularly on the highway and looking for efficiency, the 40e isn't going to help after the first 20 miles, and diesel would be the way to go if you're making frequent long trips. But if you have a relatively modest commute of around 20 miles one way or make short trips -- which BMW's own research identified as a sizable demographic -- the 40e can be an attractive option.

Rene, I'll take your 36.9 mpg, and raise it -- actually more than double it!

MattBianco · 02-12-2016, 10:10 AM

Have you seen this?

Many have over 40mpg (US gallons). Also the 40d and the m50d have results that are just amazing. Some light footed trips on 35i have also produced great results.

http://f15.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1081659

I wish I had time to update the the thread with your posts above, especially the 40e post. However, a minimum of 15-20 miles would be a fair test distance.

stewy604 · 02-12-2016, 02:18 PM

Definitely loving the mileage on my 35d!

midlifecrisis · 02-13-2016, 05:58 AM

The BMW diesel drivetrain is absolutely brilliant. We need to keep preaching the gospel to counter the negative perception that VW has created.

I tell everyone I can that my X5 35d is by far the best family vehicle I've ever owned (and I've owned family vehicles long enough to have grandchildren).

Barbera335 · 02-13-2016, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

The BMW diesel drivetrain is absolutely brilliant. We need to keep preaching the gospel to counter the negative perception that VW has created.

I tell everyone I can that my X5 35d is by far the best family vehicle I've ever owned (and I've owned family vehicles long enough to have grandchildren).

The diesel is a fantastic choice if it suits you but the 40e suits me better. I do numerous short trips which are brutal on an ICE engine but no problem at all for an EV. Plus I have the ICE backup when I need it.

midlifecrisis · 02-13-2016, 02:02 PM

A diesel hybrid would be the best of both worlds. Diesel for long trips and electric around town.

HansRobert · 02-13-2016, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbera335

The diesel is a fantastic choice if it suits you but the 40e suits me better. I do numerous short trips which are brutal on an ICE engine but no problem at all for an EV. Plus I have the ICE backup when I need it.

While I really liked my previous diesel X5 I am considering the 40e for my next ride. Just curious as to the downsides as compared to the diesel, if any?

Rene_Fonck · 02-14-2016, 03:00 PM

One downside of a hybrid is that there is no room for a spare wheel/tire which means you're stuck with run flats.

mefferso · 02-14-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

A diesel hybrid would be the best of both worlds. Diesel for long trips and electric around town.

Completely agree! I don't know why any manufacture won't do this.

9jabimmer · 02-14-2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rene_Fonck

US$2/gallon for diesel here in Washington State and I'm getting an average of 37mpg on a 170 mile drive. This pic is my drive from Portland to Seattle this morning in my 2014 X5d with just over 30k miles on the odometer, driving 100% in Comfort Mode (not Eco!). Why buy a plug-in hybrid? I wonder what MPG my alter ego got in his SPAD S.VII biplane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Fonck

I am not getting anywhere near this mpg. The best I got was around 28mpg on the highway in Eco pro mode. Maybe my foot is too heavy. Dunno

korny · 02-14-2016, 10:57 PM

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I am not getting anywhere near this mpg. The best I got was around 28mpg on the highway in Eco pro mode. Maybe my foot is too heavy. Dunno

Ditto, but I'm not doing enough highway driving. I'm averaging 26-28, but again, not prolonged highway driving though.

cobra006 · 02-15-2016, 12:35 PM

Me neither. The best i've gotten on hwy was 31 mpg (US).
What speed are you guys cruising to get 36+? Are you on cruise control ? Do you do a lot of passes?

stewy604 · 02-15-2016, 02:06 PM

The lifetime average on my 35d is 26.4 mpg (8.9 L/100).

Rene_Fonck · 02-15-2016, 08:34 PM

80% of the miles I put on my diesel are on the freeway/highway in comfort mode and in cruise control all the way, even to pass (I very rarely use my feet to drive on the interstate); I drive at speeds between 60mph - 75mph (the last speeding ticket I got was 25+ years ago).

iconoclast · 02-15-2016, 09:30 PM

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Completely agree! I don't know why any manufacture won't do this.

audi has this in the works for the 4M Q7 but as you can imagine all their TDI plans have been put on hold until they resolve their issues with CARB et al.

https://www.audiusa.com/newsroom/new...e-tron-3-0-tdi

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Rene_Fonck Private First Class 39 Rep 108 Posts Drives: 16 BMW X5 35d Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	Diesel is the new hybrid US$2/gallon for diesel here in Washington State and I'm getting an average of 37mpg on a 170 mile drive. This pic is my drive from Portland to Seattle this morning in my 2014 X5d with just over 30k miles on the odometer, driving 100% in Comfort Mode (not Eco!). Why buy a plug-in hybrid? I wonder what MPG my alter ego (WWI French fighter ace) got in his SPAD S.VII biplane. Attached Images Last edited by Rene_Fonck; 02-15-2016 at 08:38 PM.. Reason: Add
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Jimmie48 Private 12 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 2014 X5 Xdrive35D Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Dallas iTrader: (0)	I totally agree I am averaging well in the 30's on the freeway from my frequent trips from Dallas to Houston...almost 300 miles each way...
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MattBianco Lieutenant Colonel 1280 Rep 1,886 Posts Drives: 2015 X5 35d msport Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Marin, California iTrader: (0)	Have you seen this? Many have over 40mpg (US gallons). Also the 40d and the m50d have results that are just amazing. Some light footed trips on 35i have also produced great results. http://f15.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1081659 I wish I had time to update the the thread with your posts above, especially the 40e post. However, a minimum of 15-20 miles would be a fair test distance. __________________ Amber or Red Rear Turn Signals? Vote/have your say: LINK. Post your MPGs 100L/km here: LINK X5 F15 Engines Compared LINK Take the BMW X5 F15 Survey: LINK See the Results: LINK N57 Diesel Tuning Chips Compared LINK
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midlifecrisis Major 807 Rep 1,209 Posts Drives: 2017 X5 35d, 2019 230i X Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	The BMW diesel drivetrain is absolutely brilliant. We need to keep preaching the gospel to counter the negative perception that VW has created. I tell everyone I can that my X5 35d is by far the best family vehicle I've ever owned (and I've owned family vehicles long enough to have grandchildren). __________________ 2017 X5 35d (Performance Center delivery March 2017) 2019 230i X-drive 2022 M3 base 2000 328i sedan (UUC suspension - still the favorite), 2006 M3 slick top - Alpine White/Cinnamon SOLD! 2008 E90 M3 SOLD! 1991 325iX (both great), 2019 Miata RF - various others not as memorable but gone.
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midlifecrisis Major 807 Rep 1,209 Posts Drives: 2017 X5 35d, 2019 230i X Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	A diesel hybrid would be the best of both worlds. Diesel for long trips and electric around town. __________________ 2017 X5 35d (Performance Center delivery March 2017) 2019 230i X-drive 2022 M3 base 2000 328i sedan (UUC suspension - still the favorite), 2006 M3 slick top - Alpine White/Cinnamon SOLD! 2008 E90 M3 SOLD! 1991 325iX (both great), 2019 Miata RF - various others not as memorable but gone.
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Rene_Fonck Private First Class 39 Rep 108 Posts Drives: 16 BMW X5 35d Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	One downside of a hybrid is that there is no room for a spare wheel/tire which means you're stuck with run flats.
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cobra006 Private First Class 25 Rep 137 Posts Drives: F15 X5 35D Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Me neither. The best i've gotten on hwy was 31 mpg (US). What speed are you guys cruising to get 36+? Are you on cruise control ? Do you do a lot of passes?
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stewy604 Lieutenant Colonel 290 Rep 1,547 Posts Drives: 2014 BMW X5 xDrive 35d M Sport Join Date: May 2014 Location: Vancouver, B.C. iTrader: (0)	The lifetime average on my 35d is 26.4 mpg (8.9 L/100). __________________ 2014 BMW X5 xDrive 35d M Sport Mineral White 2011 BMW 135i M Sport Space Grey 2007 Suzuki GSX-R 750
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Rene_Fonck Private First Class 39 Rep 108 Posts Drives: 16 BMW X5 35d Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	80% of the miles I put on my diesel are on the freeway/highway in comfort mode and in cruise control all the way, even to pass (I very rarely use my feet to drive on the interstate); I drive at speeds between 60mph - 75mph (the last speeding ticket I got was 25+ years ago).
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