Sport mode

[wjbender]

Originally Posted by jjl

OK, thanks. Follow-up questions - on the bmwusa.com configurator, I don't see an Adaptive M supension option when i select M Sport package, i only see a $4500 Dynamic Handling Package. Also, does the M Sport package come with stiffer springs than the Luxury Line and X Line packages? Someone said that earlier but i don't think this is correct, i think they all come with the same spring setup?

Adaptive M is no longer listed on the Configurator, but the dealer can add it for $900 - very good value! This suspension sits 14mm lower than standard, but is very comfortable in eco pro, or comfort mode. It firms up nicely in sport and sport +.

[jjl]

Oh well...for what it's worth the car definitely seemed to roll less in turns and tighten up in sport and sport + than in comfort, even without the Adaptive M...guess it's all in my head. and still wondering if M Sport pack comes with different spring setup than X Line and Luxury line.

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by chrisny

Ummm, if you know he's a dumbass, why would you do anything but laugh..? It's an SUV…….

God, don't say that over at Bimmerfest. Heads will explode. Didn't you get the memo? It's a sports car!

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by jjl

Oh well...for what it's worth the car definitely seemed to roll less in turns and tighten up in sport and sport + than in comfort, even without the Adaptive M...guess it's all in my head. and still wondering if M Sport pack comes with different spring setup than X Line and Luxury line.

If you look at the chart in the sticky thread, you'll notice that the Adaptive M doesn't get you much more in the way of sportiness than the stock F15 suspension. The real kicker is DHP, but $4500? No thanks. It's still an SUV.

[Kzang]

MSport line comes with standard suspension that also comes in Xline and Lux Line.
There are 3 different suspension upgrades..

2VM DDC +1 Axle air suspension - for all lines

2VF Adaptive M suspension - for Msport only ** Which is essentially the same as 2VM. But according to the attached chart 2VF is slightly sportier and comfortable.

ZDH Dynamic Handling Package - for all lines

Look at the chart for more info.

[Kzang]

Originally Posted by lowlevelhell

God, don't say that over at Bimmerfest. Heads will explode. Didn't you get the memo? It's a sports car!

My god why do you have to come over here and behave like a 3 year old? Stay at Bimmerfest....

[MattBianco]

lowlevelhell , bimmerpost=informative, polite, more international, better designed website. Bimmerfest=mostly the same minus the polite, site has more content features and categorization, small business (which I like to support). I prefer it here by a wide margin as I can't stand the nonproductive verbal cross fire.

[wjbender]

Originally Posted by lowlevelhell

God, don't say that over at Bimmerfest. Heads will explode. Didn't you get the memo? It's a sports car!

How come my Sales guy said it's a truck

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by wjbender

How come my Sales guy said it's a truck

Obviously he read the brochure

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by Kzang

My god why do you have to come over here and behave like a 3 year old? Stay at Bimmerfest....

Because you guys have cornered the market on being 3-year-olds at Bimmerfest. This is capitalism at work. Manifest destiny. Staking my claim. Go forth, young man, and build a nation.

I'll make you a deal. You and your pal Kittrell stay over there at BF and we'll only occasionally make fun of you here. Sound good? Great. It's a deal.

Just kidding. sort of...

[wjbender]

Originally Posted by lowlevelhell

If you look at the chart in the sticky thread, you'll notice that the Adaptive M doesn't get you much more in the way of sportiness than the stock F15 suspension. The real kicker is DHP, but $4500? No thanks. It's still an SUV.

I can only guess, but they probably get a more comfortable ride with adaptive M by using dampers that start out softer and adjust firmer than standard. Spring rates may also be different. The M-Sport with adaptive M also sits 15mm lower than standard - my experience is a very comfortable ride for my wife, and a much more sporty ride when desired. I wish the steering could be adjusted independently of the suspension.

[wjbender]

Originally Posted by lowlevelhell

Obviously he read the brochure

It just crack me up when people refer to the F15 as a truck - possibly thy have F150 in mind

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by wjbender

It just crack me up when people refer to the F15 as a truck - possibly thy have F150 in mind

Yes, my wife likes to call it "the truck." Shows you what a youth spent in rich suburbia will do to you!

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by wjbender

I can only guess, but they probably get a more comfortable ride with adaptive M by using dampers that start out softer and adjust firmer than standard. Spring rates may also be different. The M-Sport with adaptive M also sits 15mm lower than standard - my experience is a very comfortable ride for my wife, and a much more sporty ride when desired. I wish the steering could be adjusted independently of the suspension.

Probably my biggest issue with the F15 is the steering lightness. I too wish I could keep sport-level steering firmness independent of the drive mode.

I do occasionally miss having my lumbar spine pulverized by the E70 sport suspension.

[wjbender]

Originally Posted by lowlevelhell

Probably my biggest issue with the F15 is the steering lightness. I too wish I could keep sport-level steering firmness independent of the drive mode.

I do occasionally miss having my lumbar spine pulverized by the E70 sport suspension.

I test drove the Cayenne and the steering was "to die for"

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by wjbender

Hmm - I have an M-sport 35d without DHP and I can configure chassis only. I too like the firm steering and suspension without increased engine speed.

I forgot you could have the adaptive M without full DHP.. But as you said in your next post, need the adaptive to be able to configure...

[watrob]

Originally Posted by JSteinMD

My understanding is that compared with Sport mode, Sport+ does two things:
1) Enables launch control
2) Disables traction control

I believe that #2 seems to help with some of the understeer that I experience taking curves at highway speed in Sport mode. As far as I know, gear shifts and, therefore, fuel consumption should be the same in Sport and Sport+.

You use Sports+ when driving on the beach or sand as it disables traction control, otherwise it removes power from the spinning wheel and you come to a standstill on the beach. You would not use Sports+ on the freeway in the wet unless you re a better drive than the average person?

[wjbender]

Originally Posted by watrob

You use Sports+ when driving on the beach or sand as it disables traction control, otherwise it removes power from the spinning wheel and you come to a standstill on the beach. You would not use Sports+ on the freeway in the wet unless you re a better drive than the average person?

And of course driving in snow or when you want to use launch control - otherwise it is better to leave in Sports for normal highway driving as disabling DSC is the main difference. There are no additional changes to suspension, steering or shift points between sports and sports +

[6605paull]

Originally Posted by mattbar1

Makes total sense.

But I thought, sport mode gave you the best acceleration. Sport+ will allow you to peel out, right?

Don't think it goes any faster in sports mode, just revs more (to much IMO) other than that I don't notice the difference to be honest. Are we saying the acceleration is quicker is sports mode then?

[lowlevelhell]

Originally Posted by 6605paull

Don't think it goes any faster in sports mode, just revs more (to much IMO) other than that I don't notice the difference to be honest. Are we saying the acceleration is quicker is sports mode then?

It changes the shift points in the transmission.